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> but I would say the odds Yes, you are still assuming the odds currently. Innocent until proven guilty is the setup of the system.

belltaco 3y ago
Sure, that's the legal system which is judging the case, which we are not part of. From an article: > Footage retrieved by police from Millennium Tower shows Nima Momeni getting out of a white BMW Z4 after arriving at the high-rise at 8:31 p.m., according to court records. A little more than four hours later, at 12:39 a.m., Lee arrived at the tower. > Shortly after 2 a.m., both Lee and Nima Momeni were seen on camera taking an elevator to the building's lobby before getting into the suspect’s BMW and leaving. > Additional footage obtained by police shows Lee appearing to be stabbed under the Bay Bridge on Main Street, the documents say. The footage allegedly shows a BMW and the red glow of tail lights, suggesting the vehicle was parked. Based on the clothing they were wearing when leaving Millennium Tower, police believe Lee and Nima Momeni were the two people seen standing outside of the car. > At one point, the pair move closer together before Lee walks away, appearing to be wounded. Nima Momeni allegedly walks to a fence—which is where police found a silver and black knife, the suspected murder weapon—before getting back in the BMW and speeding away. > Lee was stabbed three times—once in the hip and twice in the chest, according to court records. One stab wound penetrated his heart and killed him. Police found what they believe to be the murder weapon, a 4-inch knife, in a nearby parking lot with blood on it. > “The defendant not only drove victim to a secluded area in the opposite direction of his hotel, but also brought a kitchen knife with him,” prosecutors said in court records. “Defendant did not use some type of pocket knife, but a cooking knife from an apartment kitchen. This was a planned and deliberate attack.” All this could very well be deepfakes I guess. Even if he's proven guilty you could say the same thing, because innocent people have been proven guilty in the past. So basically we can never ever assume who did the murder?
- MrOwnPut 3y ago
  Could you link the article please? My point was to remind everyone of the system we have, innocent until proven guilty by a jury of their peers, not by journalists.
  - belltaco 3y ago
    https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/suspected-bob-lee-killer-quizzed-him-on-inappropriate-contact-with-sister/ https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/suspected-bob-lee-ki...

belltaco 3y ago

Sure, that's the legal system which is judging the case, which we are not part of. From an article: > Footage retrieved by police from Millennium Tower shows Nima Momeni getting out of a white BMW Z4 after arriving at the high-rise at 8:31 p.m., according to court records. A little more than four hours later, at 12:39 a.m., Lee arrived at the tower. > Shortly after 2 a.m., both Lee and Nima Momeni were seen on camera taking an elevator to the building's lobby before getting into the suspect’s BMW and leaving. > Additional footage obtained by police shows Lee appearing to be stabbed under the Bay Bridge on Main Street, the documents say. The footage allegedly shows a BMW and the red glow of tail lights, suggesting the vehicle was parked. Based on the clothing they were wearing when leaving Millennium Tower, police believe Lee and Nima Momeni were the two people seen standing outside of the car. > At one point, the pair move closer together before Lee walks away, appearing to be wounded. Nima Momeni allegedly walks to a fence—which is where police found a silver and black knife, the suspected murder weapon—before getting back in the BMW and speeding away. > Lee was stabbed three times—once in the hip and twice in the chest, according to court records. One stab wound penetrated his heart and killed him. Police found what they believe to be the murder weapon, a 4-inch knife, in a nearby parking lot with blood on it. > “The defendant not only drove victim to a secluded area in the opposite direction of his hotel, but also brought a kitchen knife with him,” prosecutors said in court records. “Defendant did not use some type of pocket knife, but a cooking knife from an apartment kitchen. This was a planned and deliberate attack.” All this could very well be deepfakes I guess. Even if he's proven guilty you could say the same thing, because innocent people have been proven guilty in the past. So basically we can never ever assume who did the murder?

MrOwnPut 3y ago
Could you link the article please? My point was to remind everyone of the system we have, innocent until proven guilty by a jury of their peers, not by journalists.
- belltaco 3y ago
  https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/suspected-bob-lee-killer-quizzed-him-on-inappropriate-contact-with-sister/ https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/suspected-bob-lee-ki...