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What are they gonna use for power?

pantalaimon 4y ago
Coal, Gas and Wind
HyperSane 4y ago
Lots of dirty lignite coal. https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertbryce/2022/10/28/the-iron-law-of-electricity-strikes-again-germany-re-opens-five-lignite-fired-power-plants/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertbryce/2022/10/28/the-iron...
awaythrow98765 4y ago
Currently mostly coal (mostly lignite) with a little imported LNG for base load and peaks. Wind and solar if available. Rest is imported nuclear, coal and other power from neighboring countries. Longer term, a switch to 100% renewables is planned, which is supposed to take 20 years. However, plans are coming along too slowly, especially regarding storage and transmission lines. But also necessary ramp-up of wind and solar installations is extremely lacking. Meanwhile power prices are at an all-time high and no betterment in sight. Meanwhile a switch to mostly-electric transportation, green steel smelting, green concrete production, and mostly electric heating should happen, which will roughly triple electricity consumption overall. So I guess we'll wait and see, most probably more of the imported whatever-we-can-get at stellar prices.
- wheelerof4te 4y ago
  Yeah, 100% renewable energy for such a large and developed country. How are they gonna do it, by exterminating 50% of the population?
  - awaythrow98765 4y ago
    As it seems by getting rid of all the industry.
fabian2k 4y ago
In 2022 (https://www.destatis.de/DE/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2023/03/PD23_090_43312.html https://www.destatis.de/DE/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2023/03...): - 33% coal - 11% natural gas - 24% wind - 11% solar - 6% nuclear Nuclear was already winding down with only 6% in 2022. Medium term renewables are growing and will replace it, short term coal and gas.
- HyperSane 4y ago
  As a result of this Germany emits about 6 times as much CO2 per kWh as France.
- RGamma 4y ago
  Wait 'till we notice that one needs giant storage capacity for an actual renewables switch too ;) The economic potential wasted in this country over the past ~30 years by shortsighted political self-sabotage is almost hilarious. And after 50 years of sub-replacement fertility, now we'll get wrecked even harder by what's going to happen with this graphic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany#/media/File%3AGermany_population_pyramid.svg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany#/med... Of course, it all comes so suddenly...

Coal, Gas and Wind

Lots of dirty lignite coal. https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertbryce/2022/10/28/the-iron-law-of-electricity-strikes-again-germany-re-opens-five-lignite-fired-power-plants/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertbryce/2022/10/28/the-iron...

awaythrow98765 4y ago

Currently mostly coal (mostly lignite) with a little imported LNG for base load and peaks. Wind and solar if available. Rest is imported nuclear, coal and other power from neighboring countries. Longer term, a switch to 100% renewables is planned, which is supposed to take 20 years. However, plans are coming along too slowly, especially regarding storage and transmission lines. But also necessary ramp-up of wind and solar installations is extremely lacking. Meanwhile power prices are at an all-time high and no betterment in sight. Meanwhile a switch to mostly-electric transportation, green steel smelting, green concrete production, and mostly electric heating should happen, which will roughly triple electricity consumption overall. So I guess we'll wait and see, most probably more of the imported whatever-we-can-get at stellar prices.

wheelerof4te 4y ago
Yeah, 100% renewable energy for such a large and developed country. How are they gonna do it, by exterminating 50% of the population?
- awaythrow98765 4y ago
  As it seems by getting rid of all the industry.

fabian2k 4y ago

In 2022 (https://www.destatis.de/DE/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2023/03/PD23_090_43312.html https://www.destatis.de/DE/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2023/03...): - 33% coal - 11% natural gas - 24% wind - 11% solar - 6% nuclear Nuclear was already winding down with only 6% in 2022. Medium term renewables are growing and will replace it, short term coal and gas.

HyperSane 4y ago
As a result of this Germany emits about 6 times as much CO2 per kWh as France.
RGamma 4y ago
Wait 'till we notice that one needs giant storage capacity for an actual renewables switch too ;) The economic potential wasted in this country over the past ~30 years by shortsighted political self-sabotage is almost hilarious. And after 50 years of sub-replacement fertility, now we'll get wrecked even harder by what's going to happen with this graphic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany#/media/File%3AGermany_population_pyramid.svg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany#/med... Of course, it all comes so suddenly...