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It’s 2023 and everything and everyone gets called out but subtle Islamophobia is not on anyone’s radar. Read a middle eastern name and were shocked at somethin

It’s 2023 and everything and everyone gets called out but subtle Islamophobia is not on anyone’s radar. Read a middle eastern name and were shocked at something horrendous. Must be Islam that backwards religion .. smh Edit: Fyi there’s nothing Islamic about honor killings. According to any “academic” and “mainstream” scholar of Islam extra judicial retaliation/vigilantism is not okay. And the Islamic penal code for illegal sexual intercourse or Zina has an impossible bar of 4 eye witnesses and both the man and woman get punished but not killed. No modern Muslim state implements sharia fairly if they do it at all. The popular notion of Islamic honor killings is just ignorant and lawless hooliganry which commentators and the media like to present as somehow representative of Islam or its teachings … Islamophobia

jimsimmons 3y ago
It is not unreasonable to speculate about it as long as we consider other things too. To name a few: crypto losses, drunken argument, brain damage
- getcrunk 3y ago
  The speculation is fine. It’s the term it self. It would be better to call it Muslim honor killing or preferably just honor killing.
  - throw9969 3y ago
    I've heard it both ways: "Muslim" is the correct way, or "Islamic" is the correct way. Let the judicial process consider it as a possible motive, but don't make assumptions. We already saw what happened with the now-debunked public speculation of an unhoused perpetrator.
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dalbasal 3y ago
Speculating motives based on surname is, I agree, bigoted. On the rest, I disagree. You are essentially making a theological argument, that "academic, mainstream" Islam is the "real" Islam. As a nonbeliever, this is meaningless to me. There is no "real" Islam, Christianity or such. Only what beilieving people believe. The reality in many places is that honour killings exist, and even if rare, are a substantial cultural force keeping women in line. It's not exclusively Islamic, and they definitely have many origins historically. However, it is blind to ignore the relationship with the religion. It doesn't happen in secular circles. Imagine a history book teaching the crusades that refuses to label them "Christian," because "real" modern Christianity has disavowed them. Religions are not neutral, or innocent by default.

jimsimmons 3y ago

It is not unreasonable to speculate about it as long as we consider other things too. To name a few: crypto losses, drunken argument, brain damage

getcrunk 3y ago
The speculation is fine. It’s the term it self. It would be better to call it Muslim honor killing or preferably just honor killing.
- throw9969 3y ago
  I've heard it both ways: "Muslim" is the correct way, or "Islamic" is the correct way. Let the judicial process consider it as a possible motive, but don't make assumptions. We already saw what happened with the now-debunked public speculation of an unhoused perpetrator.
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dalbasal 3y ago

Speculating motives based on surname is, I agree, bigoted. On the rest, I disagree. You are essentially making a theological argument, that "academic, mainstream" Islam is the "real" Islam. As a nonbeliever, this is meaningless to me. There is no "real" Islam, Christianity or such. Only what beilieving people believe. The reality in many places is that honour killings exist, and even if rare, are a substantial cultural force keeping women in line. It's not exclusively Islamic, and they definitely have many origins historically. However, it is blind to ignore the relationship with the religion. It doesn't happen in secular circles. Imagine a history book teaching the crusades that refuses to label them "Christian," because "real" modern Christianity has disavowed them. Religions are not neutral, or innocent by default.