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Paradox Interactive games, especially the Crusader Kings series also have some pretty entertaining change logs. E.g., from Crusader Kings II, Patch 2.4 [0]: -

by a_e_k 4y ago

Paradox Interactive games, especially the Crusader Kings series also have some pretty entertaining change logs. E.g., from Crusader Kings II, Patch 2.4 [0]: - Handsome and lustful men now also populate the cabins in the wild for the pleasures of people who find them attractive. - Characters who love their spouses very much are now less likely to join holy orders. - Paranoid parents should no longer worry about potential plots against dead children. - Fixed that bedtime stories can no longer be told to dead children - You no longer punish yourself when a prisoner tries to flee from your prison by charming the guard. - The Orthodox Patriarch is now concerned if Orthodox rulers have heathens in their court. - Discovering two vassals of the same sex engaging in carnal activities during pagan feasts no longer let's the liege join in on the fun. - Ambitious claimant adventurers now move out of the realm if they are targetting their liege - No longer possible to banish your spouse or concubine - Decreased monthly decadence gain. [0]: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/patch-2-4-changelog.868815/ https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/patch-2-4-chang...

m463 4y ago
Wow, the logic to model these kinds of social structures makes my head hurt. But you would have to do it. And I wonder about dead children. I remember one game where there could be no dead children.
- mcv 4y ago
  If you don't want to see terrible things happening to children, I'm afraid CK is not the game for you. The game goes out of its way to model the worst aspects of medieval life.
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- boomboomsubban 4y ago
  The logic is less complex than you'd think. It's generally something like "has flag paranoid, has flag child (patched to has flag alive child), then 1% yearly chance of fearing a plot." It feels complex, thinking of the actual logic killed a fair amount of the fun for me. >And I wonder about dead children. I remember one game where there could be no dead children. Probably Skyrim, though it's not rare. Crusader Kings somewhat encourages infanticide, as your brother's bastard could stop your character from inheriting a title.
  - tetha 4y ago
    > The logic is less complex than you'd think. It's generally something like "has flag paranoid, has flag child (patched to has flag alive child), then 1% yearly chance of fearing a plot." It feels complex, thinking of the actual logic killed a fair amount of the fun for me. But doesn't this overlook the emergent complexity from many actors running these simple rules, plus interactions between them? A lot of the shenanigans in Dwarf Fortress arise from relatively simple actors following their relatively simple plan, until those plans clash or interact with each other and crazy things start happening - such as prioritizing drinking booze over pulling a lever to lock out a monster.
    - boomboomsubban 4y ago
      >But doesn't this overlook the emergent complexity from many actors running these simple rules, plus interactions between them? Somewhat, but it more feels like "wait for good flag, try to activate good flag events. Wait for enemy to have bad flag, try to activate bad flag events." Other's find it has lasting fun despite that, but I found I lost interest.
- SXX 4y ago
  And in CK you can actually sacrifice a child for some gains.
- djur 4y ago
  Starting sometime in the mid-'00s it became common practice to prevent players from gratuitously killing child NPCs. As I understand it, this was to comply with ratings boards. A good example of the change is Fallout. Fallout 2 had child NPCs with no invincibility, and in the German release they just made the children invisible and untargetable. This caused some issues. In Fallout 3 children can't be damaged by the player, but you can cause their offscreen deaths (with a nuclear bomb, even). Similarly, I think Crusader Kings can get away with it because there's no visual depiction. As an aside, while I understand the motivation for this kind of thing, I remember finding a child's body after a firefight in Deus Ex and having a moment of moral anxiety as I wondered whether it had been one of my stray bullets or someone else's (or even unrelated to the fight).
riffraff 4y ago
These are great, they make me want to play the game! Although I'm not sure why a threesome during a pagan festival has become illegal, I'd have considered that a feature, not a bug.

by a_e_k 4y ago

m463 4y ago

Wow, the logic to model these kinds of social structures makes my head hurt. But you would have to do it. And I wonder about dead children. I remember one game where there could be no dead children.

mcv 4y ago
If you don't want to see terrible things happening to children, I'm afraid CK is not the game for you. The game goes out of its way to model the worst aspects of medieval life.
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boomboomsubban 4y ago
The logic is less complex than you'd think. It's generally something like "has flag paranoid, has flag child (patched to has flag alive child), then 1% yearly chance of fearing a plot." It feels complex, thinking of the actual logic killed a fair amount of the fun for me. >And I wonder about dead children. I remember one game where there could be no dead children. Probably Skyrim, though it's not rare. Crusader Kings somewhat encourages infanticide, as your brother's bastard could stop your character from inheriting a title.
- tetha 4y ago
  > The logic is less complex than you'd think. It's generally something like "has flag paranoid, has flag child (patched to has flag alive child), then 1% yearly chance of fearing a plot." It feels complex, thinking of the actual logic killed a fair amount of the fun for me. But doesn't this overlook the emergent complexity from many actors running these simple rules, plus interactions between them? A lot of the shenanigans in Dwarf Fortress arise from relatively simple actors following their relatively simple plan, until those plans clash or interact with each other and crazy things start happening - such as prioritizing drinking booze over pulling a lever to lock out a monster.
  - boomboomsubban 4y ago
    >But doesn't this overlook the emergent complexity from many actors running these simple rules, plus interactions between them? Somewhat, but it more feels like "wait for good flag, try to activate good flag events. Wait for enemy to have bad flag, try to activate bad flag events." Other's find it has lasting fun despite that, but I found I lost interest.
SXX 4y ago
And in CK you can actually sacrifice a child for some gains.
djur 4y ago
Starting sometime in the mid-'00s it became common practice to prevent players from gratuitously killing child NPCs. As I understand it, this was to comply with ratings boards. A good example of the change is Fallout. Fallout 2 had child NPCs with no invincibility, and in the German release they just made the children invisible and untargetable. This caused some issues. In Fallout 3 children can't be damaged by the player, but you can cause their offscreen deaths (with a nuclear bomb, even). Similarly, I think Crusader Kings can get away with it because there's no visual depiction. As an aside, while I understand the motivation for this kind of thing, I remember finding a child's body after a firefight in Deus Ex and having a moment of moral anxiety as I wondered whether it had been one of my stray bullets or someone else's (or even unrelated to the fight).

riffraff 4y ago

These are great, they make me want to play the game! Although I'm not sure why a threesome during a pagan festival has become illegal, I'd have considered that a feature, not a bug.