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> They try to mix in exploitative strategies which abuse the tendencies of their opponents. without knowledge of other players, how do pros wins consistently

> They try to mix in exploitative strategies which abuse the tendencies of their opponents. without knowledge of other players, how do pros wins consistently at casinos?

faeriechangling 3y ago
The longer you're at a table with somebody, the more information you learn about them. If they're a weak player, if they're a strong player, if they're too aggressive, if they're too passive, if they play with crappy cards, if they only play with good cards, if they have a tell. When you don't know much about the other players at a table, you tend to not use exploitative strategies as much and reply more on game theory optimal strategies and just play the cards you're dealt while you quietly gather information on your opponents tendencies so you can play the players. This might be enough to win on its own, or at least be good enough to just break even, presuming the other players are making enough mistakes.
- tialaramex 3y ago
  Disregarding rake or table costs, the Game Theory Optimal strategy for a poker variant will always (on average over time) take money from all players who aren't also playing a GTO strategy. It would only break even (again, disregarding rake or similar table costs) against another GTO strategy, and there's no way casual players, which is where the money enters this system, would play a GTO strategy. You're lucky if they remember all the rules of the game without prompting from the dealer. For real poker variants, humans can't play an actual GTO strategy because it's too complicated. http://poker.srv.ualberta.ca/ http://poker.srv.ualberta.ca/ provides an essentially perfect derived GTO strategy for Heads Up, Limit Texas Hold'em. It's... a lot, trying to "simplify" it will make it leak money (where Cepheus takes option A 62% of the time, B 38% of the time, simplifying to fifty-fifty will lose a little money) and trying to "improve" it (e.g. let's take on more of these potentially weak opposing hands) is likely to open gaping holes in your play that can be exploited by others.
  - faeriechangling 3y ago
    Yeah this is all true, I’m talking pragmatically to a huge extent here since humans don’t and can’t play perfectly and they do play at raked tables. You can’t exploit perfect play, you just end up being the one getting exploited.

> They try to mix in exploitative strategies which abuse the tendencies of their opponents. without knowledge of other players, how do pros wins consistently at casinos?

faeriechangling 3y ago

The longer you're at a table with somebody, the more information you learn about them. If they're a weak player, if they're a strong player, if they're too aggressive, if they're too passive, if they play with crappy cards, if they only play with good cards, if they have a tell. When you don't know much about the other players at a table, you tend to not use exploitative strategies as much and reply more on game theory optimal strategies and just play the cards you're dealt while you quietly gather information on your opponents tendencies so you can play the players. This might be enough to win on its own, or at least be good enough to just break even, presuming the other players are making enough mistakes.

tialaramex 3y ago
Disregarding rake or table costs, the Game Theory Optimal strategy for a poker variant will always (on average over time) take money from all players who aren't also playing a GTO strategy. It would only break even (again, disregarding rake or similar table costs) against another GTO strategy, and there's no way casual players, which is where the money enters this system, would play a GTO strategy. You're lucky if they remember all the rules of the game without prompting from the dealer. For real poker variants, humans can't play an actual GTO strategy because it's too complicated. http://poker.srv.ualberta.ca/ http://poker.srv.ualberta.ca/ provides an essentially perfect derived GTO strategy for Heads Up, Limit Texas Hold'em. It's... a lot, trying to "simplify" it will make it leak money (where Cepheus takes option A 62% of the time, B 38% of the time, simplifying to fifty-fifty will lose a little money) and trying to "improve" it (e.g. let's take on more of these potentially weak opposing hands) is likely to open gaping holes in your play that can be exploited by others.
- faeriechangling 3y ago
  Yeah this is all true, I’m talking pragmatically to a huge extent here since humans don’t and can’t play perfectly and they do play at raked tables. You can’t exploit perfect play, you just end up being the one getting exploited.