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- It's not a life and death solution, humans have become what they are because they could eat animals. I don't share your opinion about "exploiting animals for

- It's not a life and death solution, humans have become what they are because they could eat animals. I don't share your opinion about "exploiting animals for profits" - why is that bad? Will you stop using other humans for profit, too? - Nutrition is one of the least scientific domains, with theories coming in and out every decade. You can leave solely on a plant-based diet, but there are many drawbacks. It's not like if it was just like changing your shirt's color. Plant proteins profiles are inferior to animal protein profiles. Period. - Phytoestrogen have a measurable impact on hormone levels. Here is a metastudy by the french food safety body, explaining in length this : https://www.anses.fr/fr/system/files/NUT-Ra-Phytoestrogenes.pdf https://www.anses.fr/fr/system/files/NUT-Ra-Phytoestrogenes.... - You decide that animals are equal to humans. I decide that it's not the case, which is the common perspective held in western societies since they exist.

dmbche 3y ago
I don't think i exploit other humans for profit. What makes you think I do? - again, you have no formation and are spewing nonsense. And adding "period" at the end. And you know it too, you're saying yourself that nutrition science is unscientific. - I'm unsure what you mean. Do animals have no moral value? When should we care about animals? Why care about a dog's suffering and not a pig's? They have the same nociceptors, just as we do. I'm just being consistent with not causing unnecessary suffering. I don't know where "equal" was said? I even said "relatable" as in there is no relation between your mentionned slave labor and animal exploitation. You drew a parallel to feel better about exploiting animals.
- Kretinsky 3y ago
  > I don't think i exploit other humans for profit. What makes you think I do? Unless you live in the forest, with no identity card and no social security, eating mushrooms and berries, you have transactional relationships with other humans, where you create a profit out of their work. More generally, most of the consumption goods you consume are made in sweatshops in poorer countries, where industries arbitrage health & working regulation to extract more values from workers. If you live in the US, well you fund wars across the globe to fund your country's prosperity, tied to the hegemonic status of the dollar. > again, you have no formation and are spewing nonsense. And adding "period" at the end. And you know it too, you're saying yourself that nutrition science is unscientific. Can we please stop with the authority argument? Ten years ago every nutritionist were telling you that fat was bad. Now carbs are bad. Every specialist repeated like zombies that COVID-19 was going to be apocalyptic if we didn't lock the population and injected everyone with a poorly researched vaccine. It appeared that most of the people affected by those policies weren't at risk, and now we have a massive youth depression/poverty/delayed education problem, notwithstanding the after effects of the "vaccine-that-works-for-3-months-maybe-but-does-not-stop-transmission". Please refute that meat > plants regarding protein profiles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_protein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_protein > I'm unsure what you mean. Do animals have no moral value? When should we care about animals? Domesticated animals are a product of the man's hands. I don't agree with USA-style factory farming, which is a case of hubris, bad for humans' health, the ecosystem, and creates unnecessary suffering. However, breeding animals for their produce, and killing them for their meat, is totally ok if done in good conditions. I don't have a dog because I consider that dogs should primarily be used with the intent their breed was created for. Just like goats were bred to produce milk, Border Collies are made to lead herds. That's also when they're the happiest. :-)
  - dmbche 3y ago
    You claim that I need to do all these things to not exploit humans. I buy my clothibg from thrift stores and buy food at grocery stores. My electronics are used, just like most of what I own. If someone works a job, they aren't exploited remotely similarely to an animal in a farm, are they? - I'm arguing that talking about nutrition is nonsensical, as there is no settled science on it. You keep spewing facts about nutrition, and then saying that nutrition is unscientific. If you want, we can stop talking about it. I've been living without animal flesh or secretions for almost a decade now and I'm healthy. I don't have protein issue and know no one that does. You keep bringing it up as if it were a real problem though. - I understand, but I'm telling you that the "hood conditions" you speak of dont exist, and that animals in farms are exploited and suffer. - You talk a lot about the USA, I don't know why. Farms in the UK, Australia and most other countries have been proven to have the same standards, go watch earthlings, dominion and Land of hope and glory if you want (you can skim trough yo get an idea). - I don't think any animals were "made" for anything. They should not be used or owned, just like human beings. The goats would be happier free in their habitat, just like the dog. You are tangled in your nonsense. Slow down and think about what you are saying, without skipping steps.
  - dmbche 3y ago
    I understand there is no amount of proof that would change your mind. Go spend a few days working a one of your friends farms. Partake in horn cutting, as well as culling the newborn calves. Keep telling youself that you don't exploit these animals. You seem to be good at convincing yourself.
  - dmbche 3y ago
    I'm also very amused that you thought these goats were not inseminated! You poor naive soul. And that the links you sent me disproved all your claims. It's hard to believe you are this delusional. Les francais!
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It so funny seeing you dodge 3/4 of all the questions you're given just to talk about your friends free range farm.
dmbche 3y ago
Oh and my issues with forcible impregnation are not to do with the method of injection of sperm - it's about using an individuals reproductive system for profit.
dmbche 3y ago
Do you realise how priviledged your position is and how it invalidates your view? You understand 99% of the population doesn't just eat free-range artisan french cheese? And monitor their gains and their nutrition? A lot of people just live you know. You seem to be very removed from normal life. Maybe think about how that affects your view?

dmbche 3y ago

I don't think i exploit other humans for profit. What makes you think I do? - again, you have no formation and are spewing nonsense. And adding "period" at the end. And you know it too, you're saying yourself that nutrition science is unscientific. - I'm unsure what you mean. Do animals have no moral value? When should we care about animals? Why care about a dog's suffering and not a pig's? They have the same nociceptors, just as we do. I'm just being consistent with not causing unnecessary suffering. I don't know where "equal" was said? I even said "relatable" as in there is no relation between your mentionned slave labor and animal exploitation. You drew a parallel to feel better about exploiting animals.

Kretinsky 3y ago
> I don't think i exploit other humans for profit. What makes you think I do? Unless you live in the forest, with no identity card and no social security, eating mushrooms and berries, you have transactional relationships with other humans, where you create a profit out of their work. More generally, most of the consumption goods you consume are made in sweatshops in poorer countries, where industries arbitrage health & working regulation to extract more values from workers. If you live in the US, well you fund wars across the globe to fund your country's prosperity, tied to the hegemonic status of the dollar. > again, you have no formation and are spewing nonsense. And adding "period" at the end. And you know it too, you're saying yourself that nutrition science is unscientific. Can we please stop with the authority argument? Ten years ago every nutritionist were telling you that fat was bad. Now carbs are bad. Every specialist repeated like zombies that COVID-19 was going to be apocalyptic if we didn't lock the population and injected everyone with a poorly researched vaccine. It appeared that most of the people affected by those policies weren't at risk, and now we have a massive youth depression/poverty/delayed education problem, notwithstanding the after effects of the "vaccine-that-works-for-3-months-maybe-but-does-not-stop-transmission". Please refute that meat > plants regarding protein profiles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_protein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_protein > I'm unsure what you mean. Do animals have no moral value? When should we care about animals? Domesticated animals are a product of the man's hands. I don't agree with USA-style factory farming, which is a case of hubris, bad for humans' health, the ecosystem, and creates unnecessary suffering. However, breeding animals for their produce, and killing them for their meat, is totally ok if done in good conditions. I don't have a dog because I consider that dogs should primarily be used with the intent their breed was created for. Just like goats were bred to produce milk, Border Collies are made to lead herds. That's also when they're the happiest. :-)
- dmbche 3y ago
  You claim that I need to do all these things to not exploit humans. I buy my clothibg from thrift stores and buy food at grocery stores. My electronics are used, just like most of what I own. If someone works a job, they aren't exploited remotely similarely to an animal in a farm, are they? - I'm arguing that talking about nutrition is nonsensical, as there is no settled science on it. You keep spewing facts about nutrition, and then saying that nutrition is unscientific. If you want, we can stop talking about it. I've been living without animal flesh or secretions for almost a decade now and I'm healthy. I don't have protein issue and know no one that does. You keep bringing it up as if it were a real problem though. - I understand, but I'm telling you that the "hood conditions" you speak of dont exist, and that animals in farms are exploited and suffer. - You talk a lot about the USA, I don't know why. Farms in the UK, Australia and most other countries have been proven to have the same standards, go watch earthlings, dominion and Land of hope and glory if you want (you can skim trough yo get an idea). - I don't think any animals were "made" for anything. They should not be used or owned, just like human beings. The goats would be happier free in their habitat, just like the dog. You are tangled in your nonsense. Slow down and think about what you are saying, without skipping steps.
- dmbche 3y ago
  I understand there is no amount of proof that would change your mind. Go spend a few days working a one of your friends farms. Partake in horn cutting, as well as culling the newborn calves. Keep telling youself that you don't exploit these animals. You seem to be good at convincing yourself.
- dmbche 3y ago
  I'm also very amused that you thought these goats were not inseminated! You poor naive soul. And that the links you sent me disproved all your claims. It's hard to believe you are this delusional. Les francais!

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It so funny seeing you dodge 3/4 of all the questions you're given just to talk about your friends free range farm.

dmbche 3y ago

Oh and my issues with forcible impregnation are not to do with the method of injection of sperm - it's about using an individuals reproductive system for profit.

dmbche 3y ago

Do you realise how priviledged your position is and how it invalidates your view? You understand 99% of the population doesn't just eat free-range artisan french cheese? And monitor their gains and their nutrition? A lot of people just live you know. You seem to be very removed from normal life. Maybe think about how that affects your view?