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Sure, if you live somewhere with constant cellular connection or you're not sharing a vehicle with someone else. What really irks me is when a connected device

Sure, if you live somewhere with constant cellular connection or you're not sharing a vehicle with someone else. What really irks me is when a connected device is required to do something trivial. My dad's 2021 GMC truck recently got an OTA update that removed the built in map. I discovered this when I was driving in the country and came upon construction with closed roads. I tried to pull up the map and look for a road that would go around and I couldn't, that feature is gone. I would have had to stop, pair my phone with the head unit and then fire up CarPlay and open Google maps - none of which I wanted to do since it just wasn't necessary. Not to mention there was no guarantee after pairing that I would be able to use Maps due to shoddy coverage in the area I was in. Graceful fallbacks used to be a thing but it feels like today if you don't have a connection then everything is just dead and your SOL. The world's population doesn't all live in modern connected cities. Why is it anytime I go off-road I become a QA tester? Kind of sick of it.

exabrial 3y ago
I guess I grew up in an era where built-in sat-nav was a luxury good.
nocsi 3y ago
Pretty crazy that 5 years ago, many cars went with an offline first approach to maps. You had to manually update the map database every year. I don’t even see that business model ever returning. Companies have figured out there’s way more money in running a map service. Ftr, teslas stream map tiles and if your car loses connectivity, you’re not going to see anything
- B1FF_PSUVM 3y ago
  If you go into data-less areas, you pretty quickly learn to use downloaded maps (from Google Maps or most any other)
  - iainmerrick 3y ago
    But the point is, this is something that used to work out of the box (nav systems came with preloaded offline maps) and now needs extra steps, or doesn’t work at all. The new online way of doing things is mostly better for most people, but it’s not universally better.
- sco1 3y ago
  > You had to manually update the map database every year. Now you have the added bonus of gambling on whether or not the maps are actually updated. My SO wanted to update the maps in their Jeep since all the exit numbers around us had changed. Not only did the install take hours, the exit numbers were still the old ones. Hooray! Jeep just threw up their hands because the license key had been used; total racket.
getpost 3y ago
> constant cellular connection This isn't at all required for music or maps. Phones have up to a terabyte of storage now.
- bobbylarrybobby 3y ago
  It is not theoretically required, but most (all?) phones don't cache all the map tiles between the origin and destination. You'd have to proactively download all the map regions you think you might need.
  - 8ytecoder 3y ago
    Google Maps and Here Maps both support offline (Sygic is another).
  - ascorbic 3y ago
    Google Maps prompts me to do just that when I navigate any kind of distance. Not sure if it's only when driving through areas with poor reception.
philsnow 3y ago
> an OTA update crap, over actual air? I am suspicious of all OS/firmware updates because they tend to move my cheese or just outright disable/nerf features. I wonder if GM OnStar sneaks firmware updates into your car even when you don't have a subscription.

exabrial 3y ago

I guess I grew up in an era where built-in sat-nav was a luxury good.

nocsi 3y ago

Pretty crazy that 5 years ago, many cars went with an offline first approach to maps. You had to manually update the map database every year. I don’t even see that business model ever returning. Companies have figured out there’s way more money in running a map service. Ftr, teslas stream map tiles and if your car loses connectivity, you’re not going to see anything

B1FF_PSUVM 3y ago
If you go into data-less areas, you pretty quickly learn to use downloaded maps (from Google Maps or most any other)
- iainmerrick 3y ago
  But the point is, this is something that used to work out of the box (nav systems came with preloaded offline maps) and now needs extra steps, or doesn’t work at all. The new online way of doing things is mostly better for most people, but it’s not universally better.
sco1 3y ago
> You had to manually update the map database every year. Now you have the added bonus of gambling on whether or not the maps are actually updated. My SO wanted to update the maps in their Jeep since all the exit numbers around us had changed. Not only did the install take hours, the exit numbers were still the old ones. Hooray! Jeep just threw up their hands because the license key had been used; total racket.

getpost 3y ago

> constant cellular connection This isn't at all required for music or maps. Phones have up to a terabyte of storage now.

bobbylarrybobby 3y ago
It is not theoretically required, but most (all?) phones don't cache all the map tiles between the origin and destination. You'd have to proactively download all the map regions you think you might need.
- 8ytecoder 3y ago
  Google Maps and Here Maps both support offline (Sygic is another).
- ascorbic 3y ago
  Google Maps prompts me to do just that when I navigate any kind of distance. Not sure if it's only when driving through areas with poor reception.

philsnow 3y ago

> an OTA update crap, over actual air? I am suspicious of all OS/firmware updates because they tend to move my cheese or just outright disable/nerf features. I wonder if GM OnStar sneaks firmware updates into your car even when you don't have a subscription.