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Weird anecdote but okay? My original comment on the stabbing story did wonder if it was targeted or random. Either way, passerby's walking past Lee gasping his

Weird anecdote but okay? My original comment on the stabbing story did wonder if it was targeted or random. Either way, passerby's walking past Lee gasping his last breaths for help is indicative of the civil rot happening in our cities. The only thing worse than evil men is the indifference of good men.

WrtCdEvrydy 4y ago
> passerby's walking past Lee gasping his last breaths for help is indicative of the civil rot happening in our cities. This happens all the time... wanna see something fun, walk around your city saying "hi" to everyone and see how often you get a "hi" back.
- joemazerino 4y ago
  I know well what it is like living in the city. I've done it for 18 years :) It is too bad people aren't cordial anymore.
- kelp 4y ago
  Also in SF seeing someone struggling to stand on the sidewalk is not uncommon. Everyone just starts to assume that person is drunk, on drugs, whatever.
DonHopkins 4y ago
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- joemazerino 4y ago
  Be honest in your statements here: it happens on both sides of the aisle.
  - matt_kantor 4y ago
    Maybe I missed some nuance, but I don't see where DonHopkins implied otherwise.
    - DonHopkins 4y ago
      Just knee-jerk whataboutism from somebody who's confessing that what I said applies to them too. His implication is that the "other side" justifies what he did, even though he admits what he did was wrong. The larger point is that even after he knows the actual cause, he still doesn't stop trying to spread misinformation and exploit and co-opt the death of Bob Lee for his own political agenda and pre-existing narratives. Yet he keep doing it, in spite of how Bob Lee's family feels about it and how agonizing it is for them that he and others like Elon Musk keep co-opting his death to spread misinformation and political propoganda. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/13/us/bob-lee-cash-app-killing.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/13/us/bob-lee-cash-app-killi... >Mr. Lee’s brother, Oliver Lee, of Palo Alto, Calif., said in an interview on Thursday that the moves to “co-opt” the tragedy had been agonizing for his family. “Bob loved being in San Francisco, and San Francisco loved Bob,” he said, adding that young people would stop his brother on the street there and ask for advice. >He said that his brother, a father of two who had recently relocated to Miami after spending most of his career in the Bay Area and Silicon Valley, had left the city for work reasons and had returned there often, both for business and to spend time with his teenage daughters, who continued to live in the Bay Area with his former wife. >Brooke Jenkins, the San Francisco district attorney, said that “the loss of a young, vibrant leader and innovator has rocked our city and even beyond.” But she criticized what she said were “reckless and irresponsible statements” portraying the city as a hotbed of violent crime, pointing to comments by Mr. Musk, the chief executive of Twitter and Tesla, in particular.
dang 4y ago
> passerby's walking past Lee gasping his last breaths for help is indicative of the civil rot happening in our cities We don't know what was happening in those cases. For example, we don't know those passers-by did or didn't actually see. Let's not make the same mistake all over again of projecting a pre-existing narrative onto a paucity of facts. (I don't mean to pick on you personally. We all do this, of course.) Edit: FWIW, there's a long history of belief about bystander apathy which hasn't held up under scrutiny. Related: Surveillance cameras debunk the bystander effect - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20417986 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20417986 - July 2019 (161 comments) Killer of Kitty Genovese Dies in Prison (Origin of “Bystander Effect”) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11430051 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11430051 - April 2016 (3 comments)
- joemazerino 4y ago
  Bob Lee did approach a car to show his stab wound. The car drove off. https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/video-appears-to-show-mortally-wounded-cash-app-creator-bob-lee-looking-for-help-in-downtown-san-francisco-after-stabbing/ https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/video-appears-to-sho...
  - dang 4y ago
    Yes, but unless I'm mistaken, we don't actually know what the driver saw.

WrtCdEvrydy 4y ago

> passerby's walking past Lee gasping his last breaths for help is indicative of the civil rot happening in our cities. This happens all the time... wanna see something fun, walk around your city saying "hi" to everyone and see how often you get a "hi" back.

joemazerino 4y ago
I know well what it is like living in the city. I've done it for 18 years :) It is too bad people aren't cordial anymore.
kelp 4y ago
Also in SF seeing someone struggling to stand on the sidewalk is not uncommon. Everyone just starts to assume that person is drunk, on drugs, whatever.

DonHopkins 4y ago

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joemazerino 4y ago
Be honest in your statements here: it happens on both sides of the aisle.
- matt_kantor 4y ago
  Maybe I missed some nuance, but I don't see where DonHopkins implied otherwise.
  - DonHopkins 4y ago
    Just knee-jerk whataboutism from somebody who's confessing that what I said applies to them too. His implication is that the "other side" justifies what he did, even though he admits what he did was wrong. The larger point is that even after he knows the actual cause, he still doesn't stop trying to spread misinformation and exploit and co-opt the death of Bob Lee for his own political agenda and pre-existing narratives. Yet he keep doing it, in spite of how Bob Lee's family feels about it and how agonizing it is for them that he and others like Elon Musk keep co-opting his death to spread misinformation and political propoganda. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/13/us/bob-lee-cash-app-killing.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/13/us/bob-lee-cash-app-killi... >Mr. Lee’s brother, Oliver Lee, of Palo Alto, Calif., said in an interview on Thursday that the moves to “co-opt” the tragedy had been agonizing for his family. “Bob loved being in San Francisco, and San Francisco loved Bob,” he said, adding that young people would stop his brother on the street there and ask for advice. >He said that his brother, a father of two who had recently relocated to Miami after spending most of his career in the Bay Area and Silicon Valley, had left the city for work reasons and had returned there often, both for business and to spend time with his teenage daughters, who continued to live in the Bay Area with his former wife. >Brooke Jenkins, the San Francisco district attorney, said that “the loss of a young, vibrant leader and innovator has rocked our city and even beyond.” But she criticized what she said were “reckless and irresponsible statements” portraying the city as a hotbed of violent crime, pointing to comments by Mr. Musk, the chief executive of Twitter and Tesla, in particular.

dang 4y ago

> passerby's walking past Lee gasping his last breaths for help is indicative of the civil rot happening in our cities We don't know what was happening in those cases. For example, we don't know those passers-by did or didn't actually see. Let's not make the same mistake all over again of projecting a pre-existing narrative onto a paucity of facts. (I don't mean to pick on you personally. We all do this, of course.) Edit: FWIW, there's a long history of belief about bystander apathy which hasn't held up under scrutiny. Related: Surveillance cameras debunk the bystander effect - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20417986 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20417986 - July 2019 (161 comments) Killer of Kitty Genovese Dies in Prison (Origin of “Bystander Effect”) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11430051 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11430051 - April 2016 (3 comments)

joemazerino 4y ago
Bob Lee did approach a car to show his stab wound. The car drove off. https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/video-appears-to-show-mortally-wounded-cash-app-creator-bob-lee-looking-for-help-in-downtown-san-francisco-after-stabbing/ https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/video-appears-to-sho...
- dang 4y ago
  Yes, but unless I'm mistaken, we don't actually know what the driver saw.