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Yes, let's build the tallest building on sand about 10' above sea level a couple blocks from the sea, in an era of climate change. Yes, 212 parking spots for 9

by w10-1 4y ago

Yes, let's build the tallest building on sand about 10' above sea level a couple blocks from the sea, in an era of climate change. Yes, 212 parking spots for 996 people/bedrooms in 722 units will cause no parking problems. Yes, let's do a the largest mega-project of a large and historic residential area next to the shared resources of the ocean and zoo, based on findings from a tiny recently incorporated design company from Nevada run by a few entrepreneurs. Actually, there's one benefit: they are right next to the sewage plant.

a_t48 4y ago
The lack of parking wouldn't be horrible if it weren't...all the way out in the Sunset. Maybe the mentioned MUNI L renovation would be enough.
- bifrost 4y ago
  Fixing the train won't cut it. Everyone who lives there will need to drive.
  - a_t48 4y ago
    Sorry, I forgot to add "but I really doubt it"
bifrost 4y ago
This is also right on point. Although the sewage plant is not exactly right next to it lol.
baq 4y ago
I hear parking spots in the Manhattan cost a million dollars. SF isn’t New York but gotta start somewhere. No such thing as a car-friendly city.
- bifrost 4y ago
  SF used to be a very car friendly city, then fauxgressives attempted to ruin it.
  - baq 4y ago
    ‘Car friendly’ basically means ‘low density’, which maybe isn’t bad per se, but is one of the reasons of unaffordability of housing. Or, to put it differently, it could be car friendly when there were less people living and working there.
gfdsgfsdgfs 4y ago
If you think it's not viable to build new skyscrapers next to the sea, please visit Miami or NYC.
tivert 4y ago
> Yes, 212 parking spots for 996 people/bedrooms in 722 units will cause no parking problems. Hey, "additional parking will be included for 327 bicycles." I guess the remaining 183 units are for walkers only. People who like stuff like this also seem to irrationally hate cars. But even if you despise cars, it seems like a terrible idea to build residential building without at least once parking space per unit. Doing otherwise is just going to create externalities.
- bifrost 4y ago
  Yes. Its no secret that SFYIMBY and the SF Bicycle Coalition walk in the same circles; Vastly homogenous. More and more San Franciscans are figuring out how cancerous SFBC is and it'll probably be another year or two before YIMBY is an actual dirty word.
  - tivert 4y ago
    > ...it'll probably be another year or two before YIMBY is an actual dirty word. Hmm. I was curious and decided to google that, and found this: https://www.housingisahumanright.org/what-is-a-yimby-hint-its-not-good/ https://www.housingisahumanright.org/what-is-a-yimby-hint-it...: > To sum it up, YIMBYs started with a self-serving agenda: to force the production of more luxury housing that they could live in — no matter the consequences to working-class communities. To further their agenda, YIMBYs co-op housing justice messaging, but they’re not housing justice activists. In fact, they have a long, disturbing history of clashing with the housing justice movement. YIMBYs push pro-gentrification, trickle-down housing policies that generate obscene profits for Big Real Estate — and they’ve continually ignored the negative impacts of their policies on working-class residents. YIMBYs are not going away if politicians continue to support them. YIMBYs, put simply, are bad news.
    - bifrost 4y ago
      While the organization that runs that website is cancerous, the article isn't entirely wrong. I don't believe that people who're pro-development are terrible but YIMBY seems to be a "develop at any cost" idea which is really not great. The people who're most rabid about it do tend to be the folks who coopt social justice messaging for causes like this, they exist everywhere. I should say I do know some people who are YIMBY and are also very good people. What we really need is MIMBY heh.
vidoc 4y ago
Come on, look at the bright side of things: this project is going to piss off a lot of San Franciscans, exactly the kind that proved, during COVID, that their real values are the exact opposite of the ones they claim to be in favor of. They should amend this project and add 15 more stories!
- bifrost 4y ago
  Thats a reasonable point - this will open the eyes of San Franciscans to why people like Scott Wiener, Dean Preston and Matt Haney/etc are bad for SF. It might be a way to break the political logjam of the far left/fauxgressive movement thats paralized this city and wrecked its economy.

by w10-1 4y ago

a_t48 4y ago

The lack of parking wouldn't be horrible if it weren't...all the way out in the Sunset. Maybe the mentioned MUNI L renovation would be enough.

bifrost 4y ago
Fixing the train won't cut it. Everyone who lives there will need to drive.
- a_t48 4y ago
  Sorry, I forgot to add "but I really doubt it"

bifrost 4y ago

This is also right on point. Although the sewage plant is not exactly right next to it lol.

baq 4y ago

I hear parking spots in the Manhattan cost a million dollars. SF isn’t New York but gotta start somewhere. No such thing as a car-friendly city.

bifrost 4y ago
SF used to be a very car friendly city, then fauxgressives attempted to ruin it.
- baq 4y ago
  ‘Car friendly’ basically means ‘low density’, which maybe isn’t bad per se, but is one of the reasons of unaffordability of housing. Or, to put it differently, it could be car friendly when there were less people living and working there.

gfdsgfsdgfs 4y ago

If you think it's not viable to build new skyscrapers next to the sea, please visit Miami or NYC.

tivert 4y ago

> Yes, 212 parking spots for 996 people/bedrooms in 722 units will cause no parking problems. Hey, "additional parking will be included for 327 bicycles." I guess the remaining 183 units are for walkers only. People who like stuff like this also seem to irrationally hate cars. But even if you despise cars, it seems like a terrible idea to build residential building without at least once parking space per unit. Doing otherwise is just going to create externalities.

bifrost 4y ago
Yes. Its no secret that SFYIMBY and the SF Bicycle Coalition walk in the same circles; Vastly homogenous. More and more San Franciscans are figuring out how cancerous SFBC is and it'll probably be another year or two before YIMBY is an actual dirty word.
- tivert 4y ago
  > ...it'll probably be another year or two before YIMBY is an actual dirty word. Hmm. I was curious and decided to google that, and found this: https://www.housingisahumanright.org/what-is-a-yimby-hint-its-not-good/ https://www.housingisahumanright.org/what-is-a-yimby-hint-it...: > To sum it up, YIMBYs started with a self-serving agenda: to force the production of more luxury housing that they could live in — no matter the consequences to working-class communities. To further their agenda, YIMBYs co-op housing justice messaging, but they’re not housing justice activists. In fact, they have a long, disturbing history of clashing with the housing justice movement. YIMBYs push pro-gentrification, trickle-down housing policies that generate obscene profits for Big Real Estate — and they’ve continually ignored the negative impacts of their policies on working-class residents. YIMBYs are not going away if politicians continue to support them. YIMBYs, put simply, are bad news.
  - bifrost 4y ago
    While the organization that runs that website is cancerous, the article isn't entirely wrong. I don't believe that people who're pro-development are terrible but YIMBY seems to be a "develop at any cost" idea which is really not great. The people who're most rabid about it do tend to be the folks who coopt social justice messaging for causes like this, they exist everywhere. I should say I do know some people who are YIMBY and are also very good people. What we really need is MIMBY heh.

vidoc 4y ago

Come on, look at the bright side of things: this project is going to piss off a lot of San Franciscans, exactly the kind that proved, during COVID, that their real values are the exact opposite of the ones they claim to be in favor of. They should amend this project and add 15 more stories!

bifrost 4y ago
Thats a reasonable point - this will open the eyes of San Franciscans to why people like Scott Wiener, Dean Preston and Matt Haney/etc are bad for SF. It might be a way to break the political logjam of the far left/fauxgressive movement thats paralized this city and wrecked its economy.