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The building looks great and landowners should be able to build what they want on the land they own. Don't own it? You shouldn't get a say. Imposing restrictio

The building looks great and landowners should be able to build what they want on the land they own. Don't own it? You shouldn't get a say. Imposing restrictions on other people's property led us to today's housing crisis.

skeeter2020 4y ago
Spoken like someone who hasn't had a monstrously out of place building developed beside their home, or an inappropriate use-case like high density commercial. I can assure you, people complaining about the shape/size of skyscrapers in their neighbourhoods did not lead us to a SF housing crisis.
- bifrost 4y ago
  100% Vacancy is at an all time high right now, people are leaving my hometown because of our horrendous government.
- dionidium 4y ago
  I think this sentiment can be rejected by a fairly simple reductio proof. To wit: Any building taller than the tallest building currently in the area is illegitimate because it is "out of character." Therefore, the tallest existing building was illegitimate on those same grounds. Therefore, the building that was tallest before the tallest currently-existing building was also illegitimate. ... Therefore the first building ever to be constructed in San Francisco was obviously illegitimate since it would have been the most out of character with the previous millions of years of no development. Therefore all development is illegitimate. Since this is absurd, the proposition should be rejected. QED.
  - scythe 4y ago
    There is a formal definition of "skyscraper", which comprises a steel frame supporting curtain walls. Buildings below 100 feet never qualify in practice. Since half of San Francisco has zoning heights below 50 feet and even more onerous unit limits, it's safe to say that the housing supply could be radically expanded without any skyscrapers. For a general criterion, I think that double the local median building height would be a good line, though at least 3 stories should always be allowed anywhere with affordability issues.
version_five 4y ago
Only works if you go full libertarian and whoever builds the building also builds their own roads and schools and other services. I hate to admit it but zoning exists for a reason.
kristopolous 4y ago
> Imposing restrictions on other people's property led us to today's housing crisis. there's many places with restrictions that have no such problems and many places with problems that have no such restrictions. The correlation between those two things is in actual material, real world, non theoretical but real, reality is effectively zero
trgn 4y ago
> Don't own it? You shouldn't get a say. That's such an unattractive sentiment, blergh! The larger your building, the higher your responsibility to your community. A building doesn't only sit on your lot, you're also inflicting it on your neighbors. Anyway, large apartment building is fine, but if you make it big, then make sure it doesn't look like dreck.

skeeter2020 4y ago

Spoken like someone who hasn't had a monstrously out of place building developed beside their home, or an inappropriate use-case like high density commercial. I can assure you, people complaining about the shape/size of skyscrapers in their neighbourhoods did not lead us to a SF housing crisis.

bifrost 4y ago
100% Vacancy is at an all time high right now, people are leaving my hometown because of our horrendous government.
dionidium 4y ago
I think this sentiment can be rejected by a fairly simple reductio proof. To wit: Any building taller than the tallest building currently in the area is illegitimate because it is "out of character." Therefore, the tallest existing building was illegitimate on those same grounds. Therefore, the building that was tallest before the tallest currently-existing building was also illegitimate. ... Therefore the first building ever to be constructed in San Francisco was obviously illegitimate since it would have been the most out of character with the previous millions of years of no development. Therefore all development is illegitimate. Since this is absurd, the proposition should be rejected. QED.
- scythe 4y ago
  There is a formal definition of "skyscraper", which comprises a steel frame supporting curtain walls. Buildings below 100 feet never qualify in practice. Since half of San Francisco has zoning heights below 50 feet and even more onerous unit limits, it's safe to say that the housing supply could be radically expanded without any skyscrapers. For a general criterion, I think that double the local median building height would be a good line, though at least 3 stories should always be allowed anywhere with affordability issues.

version_five 4y ago

Only works if you go full libertarian and whoever builds the building also builds their own roads and schools and other services. I hate to admit it but zoning exists for a reason.

kristopolous 4y ago

> Imposing restrictions on other people's property led us to today's housing crisis. there's many places with restrictions that have no such problems and many places with problems that have no such restrictions. The correlation between those two things is in actual material, real world, non theoretical but real, reality is effectively zero

trgn 4y ago

> Don't own it? You shouldn't get a say. That's such an unattractive sentiment, blergh! The larger your building, the higher your responsibility to your community. A building doesn't only sit on your lot, you're also inflicting it on your neighbors. Anyway, large apartment building is fine, but if you make it big, then make sure it doesn't look like dreck.