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This will never get built. If anything it is a "hi" proposal with the hopes that "med" will make it through the process. If the final project exceeds five stor

This will never get built. If anything it is a "hi" proposal with the hopes that "med" will make it through the process. If the final project exceeds five stories ("lo") I will be very surprised. Locals will fight tooth an nail to limit any and all construction. They freaked THE FUCK out when someone proposed a 7-story apartment unit back in 2021, comparing councilman Gordon Mar to the "the leader of the Chinese communist party" for supporting affordable housing (then he lost his election to someone with no meaningful positions on affordable housing). Do you really think that residents who went ballistic on 7 stories won't go full-on nuclear winter on 50? Residents don't care that they're screwing their children, they don't care about homelessness (beyond punishing them for existing), and they certainly don't care about "the nature and character of our neighborhood"-- they only care about "number gets bigger" when they look at the Zillow page for their address.

bifrost 3y ago
They're not screwing their children lol. Homelessness in SF is about drugs, not housing, its very clear.
ghaff 3y ago
Genuine question. Even if it could be built, is there a real market for a skyscraper that's mostly housing in that area of town? The Bay Area is a bit atypical but the "housing shortage" in a lot of places is mostly a shortage in the specific places where people prefer to live.
- bifrost 3y ago
  No, there is no market for this. And even if there was it'd be hamstrung by the lack of infrastructure (roads/parking) so it'd be a nightmare to live there.
- gonehome 3y ago
  Yeah, there’s a market. The units would likely be nicer than the old houses people currently rent there for a lot money. Increased supply may make them cheaper too. Sunset is pretty nice, especially now that most work remote and the downtown soma area is not a great place to be. I’m in dogpatch because it’s one of the few neighborhoods that has a lot of condos that isn’t downtown soma.
  - bifrost 3y ago
    Dogpatch is well situated for commuting, as is a fair amount of SOMA. The SFBOS is looking to change that because they want to take down the 280 connector that gets people in and out of SF quickly. WFH is slowly going away so I wouldn't keep counting on that either.
  - ghaff 3y ago
    The Dogpatch condos I'm familiar with though are pretty much midrise which are a lot different from living in a skyscraper though. And are pretty convenient to existing public transit and getting to FiDi/SoMa even if you don't want to live there.
- nostrademons 3y ago
  Not currently, but the city is running the L Taraval muni improvement project concurrent with this development, and that line has a stop right next to the lot. That should give trains traffic priority and consolidate stops, reducing travel time to downtown. The reason people don't want to live in the Sunset is that it takes an hour to get to SoMa/downtown where the businesses are. You can get from the South Bay to SoMa faster than getting from the Sunset there. If they fix the transit issues the Sunset could become a very desirable place to live - you have easy access to the beach, good restaurants, less crime, lots of parks, and generally higher quality of life than the eastern part of SF.
  - bifrost 3y ago
    MUNI has never been efficient in the entirety of my lifetime. Its a corrupt organization and basically would need to be completely reborn. Also look at the cost overruns for extending the underground trains, its massively inept at construction.
- nilsbunger 3y ago
  An ocean-view apartment 2 blocks from the (admittedly very cold) beach is definitely rentable. Will it rent for 10% more or 10% less than something comparable in inner sunset? That's the question.
drcode 3y ago
The irony is they don't realize the land their house is on is worth a lot more if the person they sell it to in future was allowed to build a skyscraper on it

bifrost 3y ago

They're not screwing their children lol. Homelessness in SF is about drugs, not housing, its very clear.

ghaff 3y ago

Genuine question. Even if it could be built, is there a real market for a skyscraper that's mostly housing in that area of town? The Bay Area is a bit atypical but the "housing shortage" in a lot of places is mostly a shortage in the specific places where people prefer to live.

bifrost 3y ago
No, there is no market for this. And even if there was it'd be hamstrung by the lack of infrastructure (roads/parking) so it'd be a nightmare to live there.
gonehome 3y ago
Yeah, there’s a market. The units would likely be nicer than the old houses people currently rent there for a lot money. Increased supply may make them cheaper too. Sunset is pretty nice, especially now that most work remote and the downtown soma area is not a great place to be. I’m in dogpatch because it’s one of the few neighborhoods that has a lot of condos that isn’t downtown soma.
- bifrost 3y ago
  Dogpatch is well situated for commuting, as is a fair amount of SOMA. The SFBOS is looking to change that because they want to take down the 280 connector that gets people in and out of SF quickly. WFH is slowly going away so I wouldn't keep counting on that either.
- ghaff 3y ago
  The Dogpatch condos I'm familiar with though are pretty much midrise which are a lot different from living in a skyscraper though. And are pretty convenient to existing public transit and getting to FiDi/SoMa even if you don't want to live there.
nostrademons 3y ago
Not currently, but the city is running the L Taraval muni improvement project concurrent with this development, and that line has a stop right next to the lot. That should give trains traffic priority and consolidate stops, reducing travel time to downtown. The reason people don't want to live in the Sunset is that it takes an hour to get to SoMa/downtown where the businesses are. You can get from the South Bay to SoMa faster than getting from the Sunset there. If they fix the transit issues the Sunset could become a very desirable place to live - you have easy access to the beach, good restaurants, less crime, lots of parks, and generally higher quality of life than the eastern part of SF.
- bifrost 3y ago
  MUNI has never been efficient in the entirety of my lifetime. Its a corrupt organization and basically would need to be completely reborn. Also look at the cost overruns for extending the underground trains, its massively inept at construction.
nilsbunger 3y ago
An ocean-view apartment 2 blocks from the (admittedly very cold) beach is definitely rentable. Will it rent for 10% more or 10% less than something comparable in inner sunset? That's the question.

drcode 3y ago

The irony is they don't realize the land their house is on is worth a lot more if the person they sell it to in future was allowed to build a skyscraper on it