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I saw the movie early during Covid. I think the aliens are (accidentally) the only realistic part of the film. If human corporations ever make it to a planet wi

I saw the movie early during Covid. I think the aliens are (accidentally) the only realistic part of the film. If human corporations ever make it to a planet with sentient life, I am certain that event would be plagued by sloppiness, self-interest, in-fighting, and exploitation.

pc86 4y ago
It seems odd to specify corporations when the same would likely happen with any humans.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  Corporations tend to amplify the worst aspects of human nature.
  - Etrnl_President 4y ago
    Any form of organization that relies on extortion, brings out the worst of humanity.
  - stametseater 4y ago
    Governments perpetrate more wars and genocides than corporations do. In the 20th century they murdered tens of millions of people.
    - JohnFen 4y ago
      I don't think that's actually true, honestly, but it depends on how you count. For one thing, it's very hard to see where "corporations" end and "government" begins. I mean, yes, wars have killed tens of millions of people. But an awful lot of those wars were on behalf of corporations, involved corporations, or were made much worse by corporations. Just in American history, corporations have directly engaged in straight-up genocides. All wars, in the final analysis, are about economics.
      - stametseater 4y ago
        I grant IBM their fair share of the blame for the Holocaust, but their involvement does not somehow wash the hands of the Nazi Party. The Nazi government of Germany was responsible for tens of millions of murders. Trying to divide the blame such that all of it falls on the premise of corporations and leaves the premise of government pure is absurd. Both of these are dangerous social structures which need to be regulated and checked to keep them within reasonable moral bounds. Unchecked, both are capable of immeasurable evil.
        JohnFen 4y ago
        > Trying to divide the blame such that all of it falls on the premise of corporations and leaves the premise of government pure is absurd. I agree. And I was doing no such thing.
      - pinewurst 4y ago
        Don't forget Uncle Joe, Mao, and Pol Pot who were hardly corporate. They tortured and starved millions to death without war. (And please don't say it was evil capitalism that drove them to do so.)
        stametseater 4y ago
        Not just starvation, they also outright murdered people. Hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, were murdered during the 'Cultural Revolution' in Mao's PRC.
        JohnFen 4y ago
        > Don't forget Uncle Joe, Mao, and Pol Pot who were hardly corporate. Good point, and I never said all horribles were because of corporations. But let me roll back a little to my original statement: corporations tend to amplify the worst aspects of human nature. I think I'm on very solid ground with that. That some governments also tend to amplify the worst of human nature does not contradict my statement in any way. > please don't say it was evil capitalism I never mentioned capitalism, evil or otherwise. I was talking about corporations.
  - aksss 4y ago
    You’re really just saying that when humans get together in organized groups it tends to amplify the worst aspects of human nature. “Corporations” is pointlessly specific and smacks of simplistic rhetoric.

pc86 4y ago

It seems odd to specify corporations when the same would likely happen with any humans.

JohnFen 4y ago
Corporations tend to amplify the worst aspects of human nature.
- Etrnl_President 4y ago
  Any form of organization that relies on extortion, brings out the worst of humanity.
- stametseater 4y ago
  Governments perpetrate more wars and genocides than corporations do. In the 20th century they murdered tens of millions of people.
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    I don't think that's actually true, honestly, but it depends on how you count. For one thing, it's very hard to see where "corporations" end and "government" begins. I mean, yes, wars have killed tens of millions of people. But an awful lot of those wars were on behalf of corporations, involved corporations, or were made much worse by corporations. Just in American history, corporations have directly engaged in straight-up genocides. All wars, in the final analysis, are about economics.
    - stametseater 4y ago
      I grant IBM their fair share of the blame for the Holocaust, but their involvement does not somehow wash the hands of the Nazi Party. The Nazi government of Germany was responsible for tens of millions of murders. Trying to divide the blame such that all of it falls on the premise of corporations and leaves the premise of government pure is absurd. Both of these are dangerous social structures which need to be regulated and checked to keep them within reasonable moral bounds. Unchecked, both are capable of immeasurable evil.
      - JohnFen 4y ago
        > Trying to divide the blame such that all of it falls on the premise of corporations and leaves the premise of government pure is absurd. I agree. And I was doing no such thing.
    - pinewurst 4y ago
      Don't forget Uncle Joe, Mao, and Pol Pot who were hardly corporate. They tortured and starved millions to death without war. (And please don't say it was evil capitalism that drove them to do so.)
      - stametseater 4y ago
        Not just starvation, they also outright murdered people. Hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, were murdered during the 'Cultural Revolution' in Mao's PRC.
      - JohnFen 4y ago
        > Don't forget Uncle Joe, Mao, and Pol Pot who were hardly corporate. Good point, and I never said all horribles were because of corporations. But let me roll back a little to my original statement: corporations tend to amplify the worst aspects of human nature. I think I'm on very solid ground with that. That some governments also tend to amplify the worst of human nature does not contradict my statement in any way. > please don't say it was evil capitalism I never mentioned capitalism, evil or otherwise. I was talking about corporations.
- aksss 4y ago
  You’re really just saying that when humans get together in organized groups it tends to amplify the worst aspects of human nature. “Corporations” is pointlessly specific and smacks of simplistic rhetoric.