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Unless you're using the figurative definition of literal - that's simply an incorrect statement. I think you're transferring the general statement about the saf

Unless you're using the figurative definition of literal - that's simply an incorrect statement. I think you're transferring the general statement about the safety of flying to the safety of one particular model of plane. Other plane models exist without the innate flaws of the 737 max that are safer and have not had the fatal accidents the max did.

Veserv 4y ago
It is clear from the rest of their post that they have a reasonable grasp of the relative safety characteristics of various modes of transportation, so they are clearly just being a little sloppy with their wording. The concept that they were probably trying to get across was that the 737 MAX, despite being probably around 1000x more dangerous than the average commercial airliners while the defects were present, was still safer than the other standard modes of transportation on a per passenger-mile basis. This was probably true relative to cars, but was likely untrue relative to trains or public transportation as the 737 MAX was probably around 1 fatality per 100 million passenger-miles while the defects were present. I am unsure of the safety characteristics of the 737 MAX after the fixes.
- stouset 4y ago
  Thank you, you are correct in your assumption that I was sloppy in my wording :) Note that I am considering the combined safety record of the 737 MAX both pre- and post- MCAS fix. You are also correct that before this issue was resolved, this model compared poorly against some modes of travel. Now that it’s back in service, it’s slowly converging toward the same hull loss record of other modern airframes. We have no reason at this time to suspect that retrofitted planes or newly produced ones will fare any worse than other contemporary models.
- inferiorhuman 4y ago
  while the defects were present Oh they're still there, that's why the MAX7 and MAX10 still haven't been certified.
  - stouset 4y ago
    Can you name an airline that is selling tickets on either of these models?
    - inferiorhuman 4y ago
      Spoiler alert: neither the MAX7 nor MAX10 have ever been certified. So, although plenty are on order with e.g. Southwest, no. The 8 and 9 were approved with a wink and a nod because they're already out in the wild and in fact the only significant difference between the 7/10 and 8/9 is that the latter were actually sold before the problems with the MAX came to light. Boeing is still working on a proper MCAS fix…

Veserv 4y ago

It is clear from the rest of their post that they have a reasonable grasp of the relative safety characteristics of various modes of transportation, so they are clearly just being a little sloppy with their wording. The concept that they were probably trying to get across was that the 737 MAX, despite being probably around 1000x more dangerous than the average commercial airliners while the defects were present, was still safer than the other standard modes of transportation on a per passenger-mile basis. This was probably true relative to cars, but was likely untrue relative to trains or public transportation as the 737 MAX was probably around 1 fatality per 100 million passenger-miles while the defects were present. I am unsure of the safety characteristics of the 737 MAX after the fixes.

stouset 4y ago
Thank you, you are correct in your assumption that I was sloppy in my wording :) Note that I am considering the combined safety record of the 737 MAX both pre- and post- MCAS fix. You are also correct that before this issue was resolved, this model compared poorly against some modes of travel. Now that it’s back in service, it’s slowly converging toward the same hull loss record of other modern airframes. We have no reason at this time to suspect that retrofitted planes or newly produced ones will fare any worse than other contemporary models.
inferiorhuman 4y ago
while the defects were present Oh they're still there, that's why the MAX7 and MAX10 still haven't been certified.
- stouset 4y ago
  Can you name an airline that is selling tickets on either of these models?
  - inferiorhuman 4y ago
    Spoiler alert: neither the MAX7 nor MAX10 have ever been certified. So, although plenty are on order with e.g. Southwest, no. The 8 and 9 were approved with a wink and a nod because they're already out in the wild and in fact the only significant difference between the 7/10 and 8/9 is that the latter were actually sold before the problems with the MAX came to light. Boeing is still working on a proper MCAS fix…