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> Machine learning for a chat bot is not a person "learning". It's software. I am not saying that it is exactly the same. Instead, I am saying that if a human

by stale2002 4y ago

> Machine learning for a chat bot is not a person "learning". It's software. I am not saying that it is exactly the same. Instead, I am saying that if a human can profit from other people's work, by learning from it, then there are clearly exceptions to this idea that using other people's work, for any reason at all, is "stealing". It is perfectly legal to use other people's work, for all sort of things. Its not stealing, in many situations. This hard rule that you have made up, is clearly not the situation, and using your hard rule, where you just call all of it "stealing" would similarly apply to all sorts of other, completely allowed behavior that nobody thinks is "stealing". > but humans also pay to learn Nobody is going to successfully be able to sue you, because you downloaded their publicly accessible work, and learn from it, actually. If you release your creative works, for people to consume, and people consume it, then they are similarly allowed to learn from it.

gumballindie 4y ago
> It is perfectly legal to use other people's work, for all sort of things. Its not stealing, in many situations. For the most part it's covered by contracts, terms, agreements, laws, and so on. Except where it doesn't really matter. Ai is software. Data models are software. It's output is a product.
- stale2002 4y ago
  > For the most part it's covered by contracts, terms, agreements, laws, and so on. Actually, its mostly covered by the "laws" part, and the laws allow people to use other people work, all of the time, even if the person doesn't want you to use and, and there was no agreement to allow it. That is what I am saying. I am saying that it is legal, in all sorts of situations, to use other people's work even if they object/don't want you to.
  - gumballindie 4y ago
    Of course people can use other people's work, within terms and conditions. The people that build data models are required to follow laws. They are more than welcome to use content within their constraints.
    - stale2002 4y ago
      > Of course people can use other people's work, within terms and conditions. No, actually there are many situations where the terms and conditions can be completely ignored, and people can use other people's works without permission, or without caring about the terms and conditions. > They are more than welcome to use content within their constraints. No, they can ignore the constraints, because the law allows people to use other people's works, without getting permission, and without following the constraints of the original creator. > The people that build data models are required to follow laws The point is that the law allows people to ignore the wishes of the original creators, and use their creative work, in many situations, while ignoring what the original creators want or has authorized.

gumballindie 4y ago

> It is perfectly legal to use other people's work, for all sort of things. Its not stealing, in many situations. For the most part it's covered by contracts, terms, agreements, laws, and so on. Except where it doesn't really matter. Ai is software. Data models are software. It's output is a product.

stale2002 4y ago
> For the most part it's covered by contracts, terms, agreements, laws, and so on. Actually, its mostly covered by the "laws" part, and the laws allow people to use other people work, all of the time, even if the person doesn't want you to use and, and there was no agreement to allow it. That is what I am saying. I am saying that it is legal, in all sorts of situations, to use other people's work even if they object/don't want you to.
- gumballindie 4y ago
  Of course people can use other people's work, within terms and conditions. The people that build data models are required to follow laws. They are more than welcome to use content within their constraints.
  - stale2002 4y ago
    > Of course people can use other people's work, within terms and conditions. No, actually there are many situations where the terms and conditions can be completely ignored, and people can use other people's works without permission, or without caring about the terms and conditions. > They are more than welcome to use content within their constraints. No, they can ignore the constraints, because the law allows people to use other people's works, without getting permission, and without following the constraints of the original creator. > The people that build data models are required to follow laws The point is that the law allows people to ignore the wishes of the original creators, and use their creative work, in many situations, while ignoring what the original creators want or has authorized.