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Have you checked on the state of AI in China lately? It might be enlightening if you think there's some sort of arms race going on, or anything even close to th

Have you checked on the state of AI in China lately? It might be enlightening if you think there's some sort of arms race going on, or anything even close to that. Also, if you follow through your logic you are arguing for abolishing all laws in the US that constrain US companies if some other countries can ignore these laws and get the upper hand. Keep in mind that these laws (like intellectual property, copyright, patents) is the reason US has innovated so much in the first place

alasdair_ 4y ago
China’s AI strategy is likely “annex Taiwan”. After that, they will decimate global gpu supply and they can use their newfound lead in compute to win the race.
- politician 4y ago
  Can you explain where China obtains a lead in compute from attacking Taiwan? TSMC fabs on the island will not survive an invasion.
  - mrbungie 4y ago
    Probably it will be more like espionage and ensuring at least constant access to the litography equipment that China is lacking right now.
mrbungie 4y ago
Nope, I haven't and I also didn't mention or suggest any actual arms race. My point is that any policy regarding AI (or any policy for that matter) is going to be hard to enforce when including potential (economically) "rogue" states, just that. Now, if you have any information about AI and China, enlighten me. The more one knows the better. PS/edit: I need more information about your last ghost edit. China (and others) would say otherwise about IP laws. If anything I would at least say that innovation can be either cut or assured through IP laws depending on the domain/technology, but it is difficult to conclude that absolutely for all cases.
- throwaway290 4y ago
  > enlighten me It's not going to make China's AI better than US. Not nearly enough, they're so behind. So giving them competitive advantage is not something that should matter when you consider whether this law would do good or not

alasdair_ 4y ago

China’s AI strategy is likely “annex Taiwan”. After that, they will decimate global gpu supply and they can use their newfound lead in compute to win the race.

politician 4y ago
Can you explain where China obtains a lead in compute from attacking Taiwan? TSMC fabs on the island will not survive an invasion.
- mrbungie 4y ago
  Probably it will be more like espionage and ensuring at least constant access to the litography equipment that China is lacking right now.

mrbungie 4y ago

Nope, I haven't and I also didn't mention or suggest any actual arms race. My point is that any policy regarding AI (or any policy for that matter) is going to be hard to enforce when including potential (economically) "rogue" states, just that. Now, if you have any information about AI and China, enlighten me. The more one knows the better. PS/edit: I need more information about your last ghost edit. China (and others) would say otherwise about IP laws. If anything I would at least say that innovation can be either cut or assured through IP laws depending on the domain/technology, but it is difficult to conclude that absolutely for all cases.

throwaway290 4y ago
> enlighten me It's not going to make China's AI better than US. Not nearly enough, they're so behind. So giving them competitive advantage is not something that should matter when you consider whether this law would do good or not