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How is HN falling for this again, barely 24h after the Bob Lee story showed how this forum is prone to these narratives? The very first link in the article fro

How is HN falling for this again, barely 24h after the Bob Lee story showed how this forum is prone to these narratives? The very first link in the article from StatsCan is "Canada's crime rate: Two decades of decline". It says the opposite of what the NP article is quoting it for. This misquotation is followed by a series of anectodes, and backed up by the intellectual weight of... an opinion survey. The multiple of anecdote is not "data". The correct title for this article is "people believe there is an increase in crime", for which articles like this is the reason.

alephxyz 4y ago
That link only has data until 2013. Violent crimes start trending up after 2014: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-005-x/2022001/article/00002-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-005-x/2022001/article...
Pxtl 4y ago
"Bob Lee story" ? I missed that one.
- invalidname 4y ago
  He was stabbed in San Francisco. Everyone and their mother complained about the crime and homeless problems there and blamed the "progressive policies" for his death. Musk too chimed in obviously... Turns out the main suspect is another tech guy who probably did that. Not a homeless criminal and not fault of these "progressive policies". Crickets, no one walks back all the terrible things they said.
  - Pxtl 4y ago
    Ah, tx. I saw the first part, didnt see the 2nd one.
  - 0xdeadfa65 4y ago
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  - zs234465234165 4y ago
    Turns out sf is totally safe and doesnt have a homeless or crime problem at all
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    - invalidname 4y ago
      Not what I said. The fact that you would choose to make a straw-man argument instead of a proper debate speaks volumes. The fact is a person was stabbed to death and was begging people for help. Why didn't they help? Maybe because people pushed it into their head that it's all crime and that we shouldn't help strangers. Yes. Homeless people in SF are sometimes scary as hell, I know and I don't blame the people who didn't help. But adults discuss facts and reach conclusions based on factual detail. Not based on fitting into ones political narrative.
      - zs234465234165 4y ago
        The straw-man here is you cherry picking the San Francisco Bob story to refute the problem of a rise in crime in Canada
        invalidname 4y ago
        Where did I proclaim it refuted that?

alephxyz 4y ago

That link only has data until 2013. Violent crimes start trending up after 2014: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-005-x/2022001/article/00002-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-005-x/2022001/article...

Pxtl 4y ago

"Bob Lee story" ? I missed that one.

invalidname 4y ago
He was stabbed in San Francisco. Everyone and their mother complained about the crime and homeless problems there and blamed the "progressive policies" for his death. Musk too chimed in obviously... Turns out the main suspect is another tech guy who probably did that. Not a homeless criminal and not fault of these "progressive policies". Crickets, no one walks back all the terrible things they said.
- Pxtl 4y ago
  Ah, tx. I saw the first part, didnt see the 2nd one.
- 0xdeadfa65 4y ago
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- zs234465234165 4y ago
  Turns out sf is totally safe and doesnt have a homeless or crime problem at all
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  - invalidname 4y ago
    Not what I said. The fact that you would choose to make a straw-man argument instead of a proper debate speaks volumes. The fact is a person was stabbed to death and was begging people for help. Why didn't they help? Maybe because people pushed it into their head that it's all crime and that we shouldn't help strangers. Yes. Homeless people in SF are sometimes scary as hell, I know and I don't blame the people who didn't help. But adults discuss facts and reach conclusions based on factual detail. Not based on fitting into ones political narrative.
    - zs234465234165 4y ago
      The straw-man here is you cherry picking the San Francisco Bob story to refute the problem of a rise in crime in Canada
      - invalidname 4y ago
        Where did I proclaim it refuted that?