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The text is unreadable anyway. From what I gathered I think it's missing the point, which is that pizza parties are for social bonding. You don't get that by ha

The text is unreadable anyway. From what I gathered I think it's missing the point, which is that pizza parties are for social bonding. You don't get that by handing out $20 to the employees.

baremetal 3y ago
Breaking bread together is a very human thing do.
sylens 3y ago
I think it's also missing something pretty critical here - giving each employee $20 could be seen as kind of insulting, whereas combining each employee's $20 into a pizza party at least looks like a grander gesture
- ilyt 3y ago
  Or just... not have it be a reward, just social event.
simplotek 3y ago
> From what I gathered I think it's missing the point, which is that pizza parties are for social bonding. I think you missed the whole point. The point of pizza parties as exemplified in the article was to commemorate purely monetary milestones. Your boss rakes in a few millions, and all you get is a pizza that you need to share with coworkers? That's bullshit. But hey, some people like the bones that their boss throws at them.
- Edd314159 3y ago
  To quote Don Draper: that’s what the money is for! You already get a pre-negotiated salary and maybe a bonus plan, why is there an expectation of more money that nobody agreed upon?
  - simplotek 3y ago
    > why is there an expectation of more money that nobody agreed upon? Sorry, that's a bullshit excuse to avoid having to pay employees. The very blog post from this discussion explicitly touches the issue of perceived value. Everyone seeks to maximize the value that they generate from their work. That's why salary is the single most important factor in deciding whether a job is worth it's and that is why yearly bonus and salary reviews are the single most important factor in retaining employees. Why is anyone trying to fabricate this idea that getting paid is not the single most important reason why most of us work?
    - Edd314159 3y ago
      What? Nobody is arguing that companies should avoid paying employees. How are you reading that? For the overwhelming majority of jobs, you get paid only what's in your contract. If that number is not enough, fine, renegotiate it if you are able. But employers cannot be expected to pay you more than you're entitled to.
      - fmajid 3y ago
        Small unexpected gifts have a disproportionate positive effect on morale: https://salesandmarketing.com/psychology-behind-unexpected-rewards/ https://salesandmarketing.com/psychology-behind-unexpected-r...
        Edd314159 3y ago
        No doubt. But the key word is unexpected.
        fmajid 3y ago
        Yep. The hedonic treadmill strikes yet again.
      - simplotek 3y ago
        > What? Nobody is arguing that companies should avoid paying employees. How are you reading that? What? You're making those claims. You're coming with bullshit excuses like "expectation of more money that nobody agreed upon". This blend of bullshit talk doesn't pop up when some unexpected event hits and everyone is suddenly expected to "be a team player", and crunch time hits and the boss expects everyone to "go above and beyond". You better believe this investment road goes both ways. Being a team player means getting a share of all team wins, and a cold slice of pizza ain't it. > For the overwhelming majority of jobs, you get paid only what's in your contract. You're talking like yearly bonuses or performance reviews don't happen, and no one receives paid bonuses ever. Why are you pretending that employees don't get compensated by the value they create?
- arketyp 3y ago
  Yeah, but that's an anecdotal asshole anomaly and drawing a general conclusion from it is nonsense.
- invalidusernam3 3y ago
  Your boss rakes in a few millions, and all you get is a pizza And the salary I receive every month...
  - simplotek 3y ago
    > And the salary I receive every month... You get a salary everywhere you work. Do you do volunteer work for a living? If I explicitly and directly work on something that makes my boss richer, you're damn sure I want to be rewarded by the value I brought to the company. The salary is what I charge to be in the building, but if I get my employer to actually hit a compensation milestone you're damn sure I want a cut of it, and a warm feeling inside that my boss is richer along with a slice of pizza mandated by HR is absolutely not it.
    - carlosjobim 3y ago
      > If I explicitly and directly work on something that makes my boss richer... That is the definition of having a job. Why do you think you are asked to do things at your job?
mschuster91 3y ago
> From what I gathered I think it's missing the point, which is that pizza parties are for social bonding. You don't get that by handing out $20 to the employees. If your company passes a major financial milestone, yes, it's time to celebrate - but it should also be a time to hand out a bonus to those who made it possible in the first place.
- dagw 3y ago
  At every place I've worked that had bonuses, the rules and structures for them where very precis and documented and decided on at the top level. Didn't matter how well our department or division did, the bonus structure couldn't be altered. If/when my boss wanted to reward us specifically for a job well done, his only tool was to buy us food and take us places.
ilyt 3y ago
The article talks about using them as reward for hard work, not as just social event.
bearmode 3y ago
You can give employees social events, and also give non-insulting rewards. Separately.

The text is unreadable anyway. From what I gathered I think it's missing the point, which is that pizza parties are for social bonding. You don't get that by handing out $20 to the employees.

baremetal 3y ago

Breaking bread together is a very human thing do.

sylens 3y ago

I think it's also missing something pretty critical here - giving each employee $20 could be seen as kind of insulting, whereas combining each employee's $20 into a pizza party at least looks like a grander gesture

ilyt 3y ago
Or just... not have it be a reward, just social event.

simplotek 3y ago

> From what I gathered I think it's missing the point, which is that pizza parties are for social bonding. I think you missed the whole point. The point of pizza parties as exemplified in the article was to commemorate purely monetary milestones. Your boss rakes in a few millions, and all you get is a pizza that you need to share with coworkers? That's bullshit. But hey, some people like the bones that their boss throws at them.

Edd314159 3y ago
To quote Don Draper: that’s what the money is for! You already get a pre-negotiated salary and maybe a bonus plan, why is there an expectation of more money that nobody agreed upon?
- simplotek 3y ago
  > why is there an expectation of more money that nobody agreed upon? Sorry, that's a bullshit excuse to avoid having to pay employees. The very blog post from this discussion explicitly touches the issue of perceived value. Everyone seeks to maximize the value that they generate from their work. That's why salary is the single most important factor in deciding whether a job is worth it's and that is why yearly bonus and salary reviews are the single most important factor in retaining employees. Why is anyone trying to fabricate this idea that getting paid is not the single most important reason why most of us work?
  - Edd314159 3y ago
    What? Nobody is arguing that companies should avoid paying employees. How are you reading that? For the overwhelming majority of jobs, you get paid only what's in your contract. If that number is not enough, fine, renegotiate it if you are able. But employers cannot be expected to pay you more than you're entitled to.
    - fmajid 3y ago
      Small unexpected gifts have a disproportionate positive effect on morale: https://salesandmarketing.com/psychology-behind-unexpected-rewards/ https://salesandmarketing.com/psychology-behind-unexpected-r...
      - Edd314159 3y ago
        No doubt. But the key word is unexpected.
        fmajid 3y ago
        Yep. The hedonic treadmill strikes yet again.
    - simplotek 3y ago
      > What? Nobody is arguing that companies should avoid paying employees. How are you reading that? What? You're making those claims. You're coming with bullshit excuses like "expectation of more money that nobody agreed upon". This blend of bullshit talk doesn't pop up when some unexpected event hits and everyone is suddenly expected to "be a team player", and crunch time hits and the boss expects everyone to "go above and beyond". You better believe this investment road goes both ways. Being a team player means getting a share of all team wins, and a cold slice of pizza ain't it. > For the overwhelming majority of jobs, you get paid only what's in your contract. You're talking like yearly bonuses or performance reviews don't happen, and no one receives paid bonuses ever. Why are you pretending that employees don't get compensated by the value they create?
arketyp 3y ago
Yeah, but that's an anecdotal asshole anomaly and drawing a general conclusion from it is nonsense.
invalidusernam3 3y ago
Your boss rakes in a few millions, and all you get is a pizza And the salary I receive every month...
- simplotek 3y ago
  > And the salary I receive every month... You get a salary everywhere you work. Do you do volunteer work for a living? If I explicitly and directly work on something that makes my boss richer, you're damn sure I want to be rewarded by the value I brought to the company. The salary is what I charge to be in the building, but if I get my employer to actually hit a compensation milestone you're damn sure I want a cut of it, and a warm feeling inside that my boss is richer along with a slice of pizza mandated by HR is absolutely not it.
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    > If I explicitly and directly work on something that makes my boss richer... That is the definition of having a job. Why do you think you are asked to do things at your job?

mschuster91 3y ago

> From what I gathered I think it's missing the point, which is that pizza parties are for social bonding. You don't get that by handing out $20 to the employees. If your company passes a major financial milestone, yes, it's time to celebrate - but it should also be a time to hand out a bonus to those who made it possible in the first place.

dagw 3y ago
At every place I've worked that had bonuses, the rules and structures for them where very precis and documented and decided on at the top level. Didn't matter how well our department or division did, the bonus structure couldn't be altered. If/when my boss wanted to reward us specifically for a job well done, his only tool was to buy us food and take us places.

ilyt 3y ago

The article talks about using them as reward for hard work, not as just social event.

bearmode 3y ago

You can give employees social events, and also give non-insulting rewards. Separately.