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Honest question: what’s the difference between a bribe and a legal fee? E.g. when you apply for a UK visa, you need to pay over 1k GBP as an “application fee”.
by yakubin 4y ago
Honest question: what’s the difference between a bribe and a legal fee? E.g. when you apply for a UK visa, you need to pay over 1k GBP as an “application fee”. Why is this application fee not considered a bribe?
- SiempreViernes 4y agoWhen you buy groceries from the store, do you also consider that bribing the clerk? Of not, can you explain what you see as the difference?
- yakubin 4y agoThe difference is I pay for what I get. With the visa application fee, there’s nothing that can be worth £1k there. Note that I didn’t include fees for healthcare and taxes in that figure. It’s just a nonsense fee on top for nothing.
- SiempreViernes 4y agoSo you didn't pay the application fee because access to the UK wasn't worth it?
- yakubin 4y agoIt is worth it. But it isn’t a compensation for any work done by the government you pay it to. The value was created by people who didn’t receive anything from that money. The government is just the intermediary taking fees for access to it. If bribes weren’t worth paying, they wouldn’t be a thing.
- SiempreViernes 4y agoSorry, you paid to get access and you got access? So it what exactly was the difference against the grocery store? You know they don't actually make the milk in the store, right?
- yakubin 4y agoThe grocery store buys the milk it sells. The UK government on the other hand has no input in what makes the UK appealing: nature, climate, humour, low fraction of religious bigotry etc etc.
- SiempreViernes 4y agoAre you sure you understand what role the government plays for now nice it is to be in its territory?
- Ekaros 4y agoBribe goes to person doing the work. Fee goes to organization and the worker likely sees none of it. UK can ask high fees for various reason, maybe to cover costs, or just for political reasons to get less people applying for visa.
- iso1631 4y agoWhat's the difference between a bribe and a tip
- Ekaros 4y agoNothing. Or mainly that bribe gets you prosecuted where as tip is culturally accepted.
- iso1631 4y agodepends on the country "tips" in the US are culturally accepted, although when I tried to tip the guy giving me a speeding ticket he was not happy. "bribes" in India are culturally accepted Neither are accepted in China
- crooked-v 4y agoIf you don't tip, you still get your food.
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- cutemonster 4y agoYes. And, bribes and tips are each other's opposite, in a way: - You want people to know that you tip. Then they think better of you: a generous and thankful person. - You want people to not know that you pay bribes. - If you don't tip, you might look like a rude and selfish person. - If you don't bribe, you'll look like a more trustworthy high integrity person (well, unless seen through the eyes of those who like bribes) - You pay bribes before. Tips after. (Typically.) I think tips and bribes are two different animals.
- PeterisP 4y agoThe difference is that bribery is about the "agent-principal" distinction. If an agent who is supposed to represent the interests of the principal actually does so (e.g. follows the policy when making decisions and the money flows as intended by the principal) that's normal behavior; but if they take money to breach their duty of trust, that's a bribe. Since the agent receiving money for UK visa works for the UK, them doing what UK requires is not a bribe - perhaps you might argue that it's extortion or something else, but not a bribe, because there is no breach of duty.