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Is swatting a thing outside of the US? I've never heard of it happening here in the Netherlands. It seems to me that the concept of swatting requires a not-to-

Is swatting a thing outside of the US? I've never heard of it happening here in the Netherlands. It seems to me that the concept of swatting requires a not-to-competent shoot-first-ask-questions-later police force. If the US police force uniquely has these qualities, it seems prudent to reorganise it.

sorokod 4y ago
Leveraging heavy handed government response by providing false information has a long history.
aww_dang 4y ago
Tangentially related: https://www.volkskrant.nl/kijkverder/v/2023/how-a-volkskrant-reporter-became-the-target-of-chinese-intimidation~v691100/ https://www.volkskrant.nl/kijkverder/v/2023/how-a-volkskrant...
chme 4y ago
It happened in Germany: https://www.vice.com/de/article/9aqy9y/erstes-deutsches-swatting-hohe-freiheitsstrafe-fuer-drachenlord-hater https://www.vice.com/de/article/9aqy9y/erstes-deutsches-swat... But much more prevalent are 'legal' search and seizure actions against political opponents and activists.
- chme 4y ago
  I case someone is interested in some search and seizure actions that happend in germany: https://www.pimmelgate-süd.de/en/ https://www.xn--pimmelgate-sd-7ob.de/en/
echelon 4y ago
US police can and are frequently shot and killed. US citizens can legally carry guns. That's the difference. US policing is different because the risks are different. Moreover, if there's a report of a hostage situation or gun violence, there is a chance that the situation is real and unfolding live. These are two very different lists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_office... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_police_officer... Keep in mind this doesn't include non-fatal injuries.
- labster 4y ago
  It’s time to have tough gun control, because blue lives matter, said literally no one in America.
  - libraryatnight 4y ago
    Biden has been using something like 'you can't be pro cop and anti gun control' on social media
  - WillPostForFood 4y ago
    Except for the police, who call for gun control all the time, because of the obvious self interest. You can see the policy paper of the International Association of Chiefs of Police: https://www.theiacp.org/sites/default/files/2018-08/IACP%20Firearms%20Position%20Paper_2018.pdf https://www.theiacp.org/sites/default/files/2018-08/IACP%20F... The IACP has been a strong supporter of the assault weapons ban since 1992, and our membership has approved several reauthorizations of support in the years since. The membership took this action because we, as law enforcement executives, understand that the criminal use of semiautomatic assault weapons pose a grave risk to our officers and the communities they are sworn to protect. or https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/politics/police-organizations-gun-control/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/politics/police-organizations...
    - labster 4y ago
      Nice try but the assault weapons ban is almost the weakest form of gun control, right behind “no guns for the clinically insane.” Handguns are involved in vastly more death and crime, yet no one tries to stop them. Concealed firearms are what terrify police, so why not strictly license concealable firearms?
      - Vaslo 4y ago
        What’s the strongest form?
Dma54rhs 4y ago
It does happen outside as well. It also requires good chances the person accused is armed, it's the two sides of the equation that makes it happen more often badly in America.
- thuridas 4y ago
  If the police have much better weapons than the suspect they can go with more care. This with a culture of de-escalation helps to convert swatting into just an annoyance. It can happen, but that would just mean some lost the from the police
t-3 4y ago
> If the US police force uniquely has these qualities, it seems prudent to reorganise it. Part of the problem is that there is no "US police force" to overhaul. There are federal police (FBI, DEA, ATF, ICE, TSA, etc), state police, county police, local police, sheriffs, military police, special task forces and more. Reforming any one group is a big job, reforming the whole system is borderline impossible without a revolution or something.
- runnerup 4y ago
  Specifically, there are 18,000 police jurisdictions in the USA. Each “police force” has completely separate management and reports to a different authority body (most are “ruled” by the government of a city). No one body oversees these 18,000 different police forces.
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    The sheer number of autonomous jurisdictions in the US is a Bad Thing. It's ended up as meth labs of democracy.
airza 4y ago
The best way i can explain it is if the handhaving was a step stupider and had free access to military assault gear. :/
- freitzkriesler2 4y ago
  Delete
  - airza 4y ago
    I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
    - freitzkriesler2 4y ago
      Looks like your comment was edited ᕙ ( • ‿ • ) ᕗ
wkat4242 4y ago
It doesn't. The Dutch "Dienst Speciale Interventies" as the SWAT team is called aren't trigger-happy cowboys that jump into the first call they get. They're only used against identified criminals that are known to be armed and dangerous. Common sense is still a thing in the Netherlands. :) They're often trained in the US though. They'll just send it out a pair of cops to check out the situation with care.

sorokod 4y ago

Leveraging heavy handed government response by providing false information has a long history.

aww_dang 4y ago

Tangentially related: https://www.volkskrant.nl/kijkverder/v/2023/how-a-volkskrant-reporter-became-the-target-of-chinese-intimidation~v691100/ https://www.volkskrant.nl/kijkverder/v/2023/how-a-volkskrant...

chme 4y ago

It happened in Germany: https://www.vice.com/de/article/9aqy9y/erstes-deutsches-swatting-hohe-freiheitsstrafe-fuer-drachenlord-hater https://www.vice.com/de/article/9aqy9y/erstes-deutsches-swat... But much more prevalent are 'legal' search and seizure actions against political opponents and activists.

chme 4y ago
I case someone is interested in some search and seizure actions that happend in germany: https://www.pimmelgate-süd.de/en/ https://www.xn--pimmelgate-sd-7ob.de/en/

echelon 4y ago

US police can and are frequently shot and killed. US citizens can legally carry guns. That's the difference. US policing is different because the risks are different. Moreover, if there's a report of a hostage situation or gun violence, there is a chance that the situation is real and unfolding live. These are two very different lists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_office... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_police_officer... Keep in mind this doesn't include non-fatal injuries.

labster 4y ago
It’s time to have tough gun control, because blue lives matter, said literally no one in America.
- libraryatnight 4y ago
  Biden has been using something like 'you can't be pro cop and anti gun control' on social media
- WillPostForFood 4y ago
  Except for the police, who call for gun control all the time, because of the obvious self interest. You can see the policy paper of the International Association of Chiefs of Police: https://www.theiacp.org/sites/default/files/2018-08/IACP%20Firearms%20Position%20Paper_2018.pdf https://www.theiacp.org/sites/default/files/2018-08/IACP%20F... The IACP has been a strong supporter of the assault weapons ban since 1992, and our membership has approved several reauthorizations of support in the years since. The membership took this action because we, as law enforcement executives, understand that the criminal use of semiautomatic assault weapons pose a grave risk to our officers and the communities they are sworn to protect. or https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/politics/police-organizations-gun-control/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/politics/police-organizations...
  - labster 4y ago
    Nice try but the assault weapons ban is almost the weakest form of gun control, right behind “no guns for the clinically insane.” Handguns are involved in vastly more death and crime, yet no one tries to stop them. Concealed firearms are what terrify police, so why not strictly license concealable firearms?
    - Vaslo 4y ago
      What’s the strongest form?

Dma54rhs 4y ago

It does happen outside as well. It also requires good chances the person accused is armed, it's the two sides of the equation that makes it happen more often badly in America.

thuridas 4y ago
If the police have much better weapons than the suspect they can go with more care. This with a culture of de-escalation helps to convert swatting into just an annoyance. It can happen, but that would just mean some lost the from the police

t-3 4y ago

> If the US police force uniquely has these qualities, it seems prudent to reorganise it. Part of the problem is that there is no "US police force" to overhaul. There are federal police (FBI, DEA, ATF, ICE, TSA, etc), state police, county police, local police, sheriffs, military police, special task forces and more. Reforming any one group is a big job, reforming the whole system is borderline impossible without a revolution or something.

runnerup 4y ago
Specifically, there are 18,000 police jurisdictions in the USA. Each “police force” has completely separate management and reports to a different authority body (most are “ruled” by the government of a city). No one body oversees these 18,000 different police forces.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  The sheer number of autonomous jurisdictions in the US is a Bad Thing. It's ended up as meth labs of democracy.

airza 4y ago

The best way i can explain it is if the handhaving was a step stupider and had free access to military assault gear. :/

freitzkriesler2 4y ago
Delete
- airza 4y ago
  I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
  - freitzkriesler2 4y ago
    Looks like your comment was edited ᕙ ( • ‿ • ) ᕗ

wkat4242 4y ago

It doesn't. The Dutch "Dienst Speciale Interventies" as the SWAT team is called aren't trigger-happy cowboys that jump into the first call they get. They're only used against identified criminals that are known to be armed and dangerous. Common sense is still a thing in the Netherlands. :) They're often trained in the US though. They'll just send it out a pair of cops to check out the situation with care.