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How broad are we considering? Isn't that like 90% of the software market? Every role I've had and damn near every listing I've seen in the past few years is s

How broad are we considering? Isn't that like 90% of the software market? Every role I've had and damn near every listing I've seen in the past few years is some CRUD "backend" gig, or some JS-of-the-week "front-end engineer." I consider all of these "web developer". Even the ops stuff is infra in service of CRUD. Seriously, where are the jobs writing native code where the enduser runs an actual native executable on their machine that doesn't use HTTP to get state or whatever? Video games? People implementing ML stuff? Data science?

sieabahlpark 4y ago
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paulddraper 4y ago
Mobile is pretty big. But yeah I agree. * AI/Data Science/Research * Backend/Database * Desktop * Embedded * Games/Graphics/VR * Mobile * Web
- bboygravity 4y ago
  I work in embedded and even embedded stuff nowadays often touches web-app kind of work through IoT.
xwdv 4y ago
Look for companies that require transformation of some data from one form to another, from one place, to another. These jobs don’t require any coding of interfaces or even thinking about users. They are jobs where you write code that creates competitive advantage for the company. These will be advertised as backend gigs, but they are not the kind of backend gigs where you are just writing code to help serve the frontend. You are writing code to make things possible that weren’t possible before. This is what it means to truly work in tech, not just web dev.
gymbeaux 4y ago
Web devs are the comedians of software development in that they’re the lowest form- not because the job is easy, but because bootcamps (which were/are all web dev bootcamps) cranked them out, and if someone tells me they’re a web dev it’s more likely than any other specialization that they are we’ll just say “junior level”. I used to be a web dev, and got tired of what you’re describing- things like the CRUD app of the week in the JS framework of the year… it’s all problems that have already been solved. Meanwhile I find data engineering and data science to be actually-interesting.
- nyarlathotep_ 3y ago
  > I used to be a web dev, and got tired of what you’re describing- things like the CRUD app of the week in the JS framework of the year… it’s all problems that have already been solved. Meanwhile I find data engineering and data science to be actually-interesting. Yep I asked the question as I'm in the same boat. The churn is unpleasant and the work isn't particularly exciting in my experience.

sieabahlpark 4y ago

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paulddraper 4y ago

Mobile is pretty big. But yeah I agree. * AI/Data Science/Research * Backend/Database * Desktop * Embedded * Games/Graphics/VR * Mobile * Web

bboygravity 4y ago
I work in embedded and even embedded stuff nowadays often touches web-app kind of work through IoT.

xwdv 4y ago

Look for companies that require transformation of some data from one form to another, from one place, to another. These jobs don’t require any coding of interfaces or even thinking about users. They are jobs where you write code that creates competitive advantage for the company. These will be advertised as backend gigs, but they are not the kind of backend gigs where you are just writing code to help serve the frontend. You are writing code to make things possible that weren’t possible before. This is what it means to truly work in tech, not just web dev.

gymbeaux 4y ago

Web devs are the comedians of software development in that they’re the lowest form- not because the job is easy, but because bootcamps (which were/are all web dev bootcamps) cranked them out, and if someone tells me they’re a web dev it’s more likely than any other specialization that they are we’ll just say “junior level”. I used to be a web dev, and got tired of what you’re describing- things like the CRUD app of the week in the JS framework of the year… it’s all problems that have already been solved. Meanwhile I find data engineering and data science to be actually-interesting.

nyarlathotep_ 3y ago
> I used to be a web dev, and got tired of what you’re describing- things like the CRUD app of the week in the JS framework of the year… it’s all problems that have already been solved. Meanwhile I find data engineering and data science to be actually-interesting. Yep I asked the question as I'm in the same boat. The churn is unpleasant and the work isn't particularly exciting in my experience.