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In Canada you are concentrated into mostly the lower 1/3 of the country, which is smaller than the US. So sorry but no. There’s other places, like leaving CA,

In Canada you are concentrated into mostly the lower 1/3 of the country, which is smaller than the US. So sorry but no. There’s other places, like leaving CA, WA, and OR now and the tornadoes in the middle. Average people don’t charge their car every night. Even if they did, what’s the storage ratio for liquid vs electric fuels? This directly translates into how much you can have on hand in an emergency. You’ve ignored every issue stating “it’s not a problem for me” yet I’m guessing you’ve never been in this situation living in Canada. Maybe think outside the anecdotes and realize you’ve not experienced every situation in life. Liquid fuels does not mean gasoline. Stop thinking this way.

bryanlarsen 4y ago
Dude, I've lived through a tornado. It left a path of destruction 800m wide. We evacuated in our electric car, and drove to a friend's place 5km away. Range was not an issue. Many gas stations were down because of loss of power and lines at the working stations were an hour long. But our friend had power, so we just plugged into 115V at their house overnight. I know dozens of people with electric cars. Every single one of them has a plugin at their home, and every one of them plugs it in over night. A couple of them plug into a regular 115v outlet overnight rather than a faster charger, but everybody plugs in every night. Why would you give up one of the main advantages of EV's to save yourself the two seconds of effort it takes to plug the car in?
- tekknik 4y ago
  Great, and I’ve live through a hurricane where there was no power for a literal month yet national guard easily brought in gas trucks and cans. Judging by your idea that electricity is always available (why do people in FL have 5kw generators?) suggests you’re inexperienced in these matters and also shouldn’t be spreading your opinion. And again, why are you so enamored with EVs? There are other options that actually have a chance at mass adoption.
  - bryanlarsen 4y ago
    If you have gas and generators, you have electricity and can charge your EV. I add 320 miles of range to my EV for $8. A gallon of synthetic fuel is projected to cost $25/gallon once it hits mass production. Hydrogen is completely non-viable for emergency situations. What other options are you thinking of?
    - _hypx 4y ago
      Synthetic fuels and hydrogen. You're just being closed minded.
    - tekknik 4y ago
      > $25/gallon once it hits mass production. Which one? I’m guessing you just did research on this and just learned they existed? One of them costs $80/liter now, but said they can get it down to $6/liter through scaling. > Hydrogen is completely non-viable for emergency situations. Why? propane is shipped in, you don’t believe getting compressed gas in an emergency is possible? Again, do you have a financial interest in EVs? Or you just trying to win this argument? I’ve never met someone so in love with electric cars. I can certainly understand the desire to get rid of gasoline, but to force people into electric when there’s tons of problems that people see means you won’t get the adoption you’re looking for. You know there’s even another issue with EV I haven’t brought up yet. Every time you charge it, you lose a little range. This isn’t true with a liquid fueled vehicle in that the fuel tank gets a little smaller after every refuel.
      - bryanlarsen 4y ago
        > > $25/gallon once it hits mass production. > Which one? I’m guessing you just did research on this and just learned they existed? One of them costs $80/liter now, but said they can get it down to $6/liter through scaling. You do realize there's only a 20% difference between $6/l and $25/g? IOW, they're basically the same price. > Why? propane is shipped in, you don’t believe getting compressed gas in an emergency is possible? Propane is shipped as a liquid with a high volumetric energy density. Hydrogen is shipped as a gas with a very low volumetric energy density. You'd need a lot of tanks of hydrogen to replace a single tank of propane. Hydrogen needs to be regularly recompressed, requiring a lot of electricity. It's then further compressed before fueling a car, meaning that the hydrogen fuelling stations in California can only fuel 3 cars per hour. Hydrogen leaks like crazy. NASA delayed the Artemis I mission by 3 months due to hydrogen leaks. If NASA can't do it... > Every time you charge it, you lose a little range. This isn’t true with a liquid fueled vehicle in that the fuel tank gets a little smaller after every refuel. The fuel efficiency of a gas car gets worse over time, so the same effect happens to them too.

bryanlarsen 4y ago

Dude, I've lived through a tornado. It left a path of destruction 800m wide. We evacuated in our electric car, and drove to a friend's place 5km away. Range was not an issue. Many gas stations were down because of loss of power and lines at the working stations were an hour long. But our friend had power, so we just plugged into 115V at their house overnight. I know dozens of people with electric cars. Every single one of them has a plugin at their home, and every one of them plugs it in over night. A couple of them plug into a regular 115v outlet overnight rather than a faster charger, but everybody plugs in every night. Why would you give up one of the main advantages of EV's to save yourself the two seconds of effort it takes to plug the car in?

tekknik 4y ago
Great, and I’ve live through a hurricane where there was no power for a literal month yet national guard easily brought in gas trucks and cans. Judging by your idea that electricity is always available (why do people in FL have 5kw generators?) suggests you’re inexperienced in these matters and also shouldn’t be spreading your opinion. And again, why are you so enamored with EVs? There are other options that actually have a chance at mass adoption.
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  If you have gas and generators, you have electricity and can charge your EV. I add 320 miles of range to my EV for $8. A gallon of synthetic fuel is projected to cost $25/gallon once it hits mass production. Hydrogen is completely non-viable for emergency situations. What other options are you thinking of?
  - _hypx 4y ago
    Synthetic fuels and hydrogen. You're just being closed minded.
  - tekknik 4y ago
    > $25/gallon once it hits mass production. Which one? I’m guessing you just did research on this and just learned they existed? One of them costs $80/liter now, but said they can get it down to $6/liter through scaling. > Hydrogen is completely non-viable for emergency situations. Why? propane is shipped in, you don’t believe getting compressed gas in an emergency is possible? Again, do you have a financial interest in EVs? Or you just trying to win this argument? I’ve never met someone so in love with electric cars. I can certainly understand the desire to get rid of gasoline, but to force people into electric when there’s tons of problems that people see means you won’t get the adoption you’re looking for. You know there’s even another issue with EV I haven’t brought up yet. Every time you charge it, you lose a little range. This isn’t true with a liquid fueled vehicle in that the fuel tank gets a little smaller after every refuel.
    - bryanlarsen 4y ago
      > > $25/gallon once it hits mass production. > Which one? I’m guessing you just did research on this and just learned they existed? One of them costs $80/liter now, but said they can get it down to $6/liter through scaling. You do realize there's only a 20% difference between $6/l and $25/g? IOW, they're basically the same price. > Why? propane is shipped in, you don’t believe getting compressed gas in an emergency is possible? Propane is shipped as a liquid with a high volumetric energy density. Hydrogen is shipped as a gas with a very low volumetric energy density. You'd need a lot of tanks of hydrogen to replace a single tank of propane. Hydrogen needs to be regularly recompressed, requiring a lot of electricity. It's then further compressed before fueling a car, meaning that the hydrogen fuelling stations in California can only fuel 3 cars per hour. Hydrogen leaks like crazy. NASA delayed the Artemis I mission by 3 months due to hydrogen leaks. If NASA can't do it... > Every time you charge it, you lose a little range. This isn’t true with a liquid fueled vehicle in that the fuel tank gets a little smaller after every refuel. The fuel efficiency of a gas car gets worse over time, so the same effect happens to them too.