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> If the U.K. wants to diverge the its regulatory regime then there must be customs checks where they differ, otherwise smuggling will thrive Sounds like there
by csense 3y ago
> If the U.K. wants to diverge the its regulatory regime then there must be customs checks where they differ, otherwise smuggling will thrive
Sounds like there are three options (I'm going to talk as if from the UK point of view):
- (1) Same customs laws + No custom checks = My sovereignty is getting violated because I can't change my laws without your permission
- (2) Different customs laws + Customs checks = We both have sovereignty and our regulations are enforced, but violent people who hate the border will attack it and kill people; that seems bad.
- (3) Different customs laws + No border = I make my own laws, and I choose to find violators at weigh stations, when pulling over people for traffic offenses, or by inspectors at the final destination (British equivalent of USDA?) I don't care enough about enforcement to check everyone, so I'm not going to make a physical border checkpoint. If you care so much about checking everyone, you're free to make a checkpoint on your own side. Your people will be the ones who do the dying when the violent border haters attack, but that's your problem. We both know border checkpoints here will cost lives, I don't think it's worth it, you do, I do what I think is right on my side, you do what you think is right on your side. That's what being different countries means, we can make different choices when different policy options involve trade-offs.
Option (3) seems pretty reasonable to me.
- scott_w 3y ago> Option (3) seems pretty reasonable to me. Only if you live in a fantasy world. The EU outright did not want this as a "solution" so they rejected it. The UK is actually doing something like this at this very moment. The result? We're currently allowing dangerous food into the country. Your descriptions of options 1 and 2 are total nonsense from the moment you use the word "sovereignty." Nobody's sovereignty is violated by making an agreement, any more than your freedom is violated when you abide by the terms of a contract you freely agreed.
- csense 3y ago> We're currently allowing dangerous food into the country. I would personally eat food that passes UK regulations (but not EU regulations), or EU regulations (but not UK regulations). Are there reports of increased food poisoning attributed to Brexit? (I'm thinking along the lines of either an individual incident report saying "if only this meat had been inspected, it would have been pulled, and these people wouldn't have gotten sick," or a statistical study based on e.g. ER visits per capita for food poisoning symptoms.) If there's no evidence of people actually getting sick, calling such food "dangerous" seems like fearmongering.
- scott_w 3y ago> I would personally eat food that passes UK regulations (but not EU regulations), or EU regulations (but not UK regulations). The food has not passed either UK or EU standards checks. EU health and customs bodies do not check food destined for the UK market. And neither do the UK equivalents. Here is the newspaper report where the spot check was carried out: https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/uk-risks-food-safety-catastrophe-without-proper-border-che-275538/ https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/uk-risks-food-safety... So yes, there is evidence that the food is dangerous.