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I mean that's what happens when you signal for two decades that web is the highest paying salary for the lowest upfront investment. Furthermore, the ability for

I mean that's what happens when you signal for two decades that web is the highest paying salary for the lowest upfront investment. Furthermore, the ability for companies to do their compute in the cloud just means more HTTP traffic.

yeknoda 4y ago
Also lots of online DIY tutorials, so many frameworks, etc. The learning got too easy, the tools got too good. For the best really. Was getting to a point where the flourish mattered more than the content.
- CSSer 4y ago
  I take it you haven’t seen our open-source commoditized commercial trash fire?
- MonaroVXR 4y ago
  Don't agree with this statement. I have multiple projects in Javascript and now doing react for the 2nd time and the conditional statement is though to swallow for me, which is easy in JavaScript harder in React due the abstraction.
cellularmitosis 4y ago
I don’t think that’s true. iOS developers are paid better and learning Swift + UIKit is a simpler target than learning HTML + CSS + JS + framework.
- makeitdouble 4y ago
  It depends a lot on the developpers' initial situation I think. Developping for iOS before getting hired usually means paying for both an Apple machine and an iOS device. If you already had both that's a non issue, if you were on android + windows that's a tougher gap to cross. > Swift + UIKit vs HTML + CSS + JS + framework It's personal preferences mostly, but I think Swift is tougher to beginners that Objective C was, and requires more upfront concepts to be fluent. I'd call it a wash compared to HTML + CSS (which are not simple by any way, but there's much better tooling to understand how it works)
- bluefirebrand 4y ago
  I imagine there is much less demand for iOS developers than general web developers though, so maybe the ease of entry makes the calculation different.
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sublinear 4y ago
> highest paying salary for the lowest upfront investment Where does this notion come from? Web is a goddamn mess and anyone doing it right is doing the lord's work. Everyone else gets fired as they should.
- ihatepython 4y ago
  So, everybody should get fired?
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yeknoda 4y ago

Also lots of online DIY tutorials, so many frameworks, etc. The learning got too easy, the tools got too good. For the best really. Was getting to a point where the flourish mattered more than the content.

CSSer 4y ago
I take it you haven’t seen our open-source commoditized commercial trash fire?
MonaroVXR 4y ago
Don't agree with this statement. I have multiple projects in Javascript and now doing react for the 2nd time and the conditional statement is though to swallow for me, which is easy in JavaScript harder in React due the abstraction.

cellularmitosis 4y ago

I don’t think that’s true. iOS developers are paid better and learning Swift + UIKit is a simpler target than learning HTML + CSS + JS + framework.

makeitdouble 4y ago
It depends a lot on the developpers' initial situation I think. Developping for iOS before getting hired usually means paying for both an Apple machine and an iOS device. If you already had both that's a non issue, if you were on android + windows that's a tougher gap to cross. > Swift + UIKit vs HTML + CSS + JS + framework It's personal preferences mostly, but I think Swift is tougher to beginners that Objective C was, and requires more upfront concepts to be fluent. I'd call it a wash compared to HTML + CSS (which are not simple by any way, but there's much better tooling to understand how it works)
bluefirebrand 4y ago
I imagine there is much less demand for iOS developers than general web developers though, so maybe the ease of entry makes the calculation different.
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sublinear 4y ago

> highest paying salary for the lowest upfront investment Where does this notion come from? Web is a goddamn mess and anyone doing it right is doing the lord's work. Everyone else gets fired as they should.

ihatepython 4y ago
So, everybody should get fired?
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