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It doesn't matter how long they run for, how thorough they are, or what they find, investigations are not trials, nor do they constitute due process. Your state
by nknight 15y ago
It doesn't matter how long they run for, how thorough they are, or what they find, investigations are not trials, nor do they constitute due process. Your statement is obviously false on its face.
- forrestthewoods 15y agodue process. noun. "An established course for judicial proceedings or other governmental activities designed to safeguard the legal rights of the individual." The law, and due process, were followed to the letter. A grand jury indicted MegaUpload of racketeering conspiracy and conspiracy to commit copyright amongst other charges.
- disposable1984 15y agoA grand jury indicted MegaUpload of racketeering conspiracy and conspiracy to commit copyright amongst other charges. As someone once said, you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.
- Angostura 15y agoSomeone may have once said it. That doesn't make it correct.
- disposable1984 15y agoA grand jury hears just one side of the story. Prosecutors use a GJ when they don't have solid proof of wrongdoing, but just think that there's something going on.
- InclinedPlane 15y agoAnd? Megaupload has only been shut-down temporarily due to a court injunction. If they succeed in court then they could be back online.
- jann 15y agoIn a few months/years, while everyone else moved to some other platform ... If this takes more than 1-2 months they will effectively be ruined.
- a3_nm 15y agoThis does not mean that "due process" isn't respected, but that it is broken.
- downandout 15y agoThis is perhaps the most naive statement I have ever read on Hacker News. Domain seizures don't have temporary consequences, and law enforcement knows this. Once they've seized the domain, they've done all the damage they need to do. Everything else is just window dressing. Tomorrow morning, the feds could release Kim DotCom, give him all of his money, apologize, and immediately return their domains, and it wouldn't matter. The site, and the multi-million dollar business behind it, are dead. As much as prosecutors would love to, we don't put people to death before they are found guilty. We should not allow the equivalent to happen to websites without giving them the opportunity to present counterarguments to a judge. They should be given notice that the domain is going to be seized, and arguments should be scheduled. Domain seizures are far too easy to obtain given that they mean the absolute and total destruction of the target business, without recourse, regardless of the ultimate outcome of any trial. That is hardly fair and certainly not the way the US system of "justice" is supposed to operate.
- hahaiamatwork 15y agoThe logic behind unannounced seizures is valid. If announcement was given and MU were violating the law, it's reasonable to believe they would immediately take action to obfuscate and obscure any evidence against them. It is also likely there is little to no physical evidence against them, and as we all well know, electronic evidence can easily be disposed of without trail. Corporations are not people, and by seizing assets and personnel the authorities have committed no murder. If anything MU has now become a household name and I find it very hard to believe their business would simply vanish overnight if acquitted.