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I think his point is that given the context that everything is involved with child labor somehow, pointing out just one particular item isn't very helpful. Mor

I think his point is that given the context that everything is involved with child labor somehow, pointing out just one particular item isn't very helpful. More nuances about iphone being a luxury brand and therefore less justifiable and more "disgusting" can be added. But like how you said it above, it doesn't change the fact that the very economy and the comfort we are enjoying partly come from child labor.

happytoexplain 4y ago
I am giving the GP the benefit of the doubt and don't think they are engaging in child labor whataboutism, but I also think they should write in a way that does not invite the qualification of "I think his point is...". >pointing out just one particular item isn't very helpful It absolutely is. And pointing out more is even better!
- Retric 4y ago
  > It absolutely is. And pointing out more is even better. I don’t see how. If I point out your PC, car, house, office, etc are all likely built in some small way from child labor you’re going to do what exactly? There’s plenty of documentation for many egregious cases, but when you look at the full supply chain for anything it quickly starts to look like the global economy as a whole. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-of-goods https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-o...
  - TylerE 4y ago
    And are the deplorable conditions suddenly a-ok the day they turn 18?
    - Retric 4y ago
      Child labor is somewhat orthogonal to deplorable conditions. Child actors can easily fit the definition. There’s also an unfortunate cultural bias where people may view for example Amish children skipping school to take in a harvest as perfectly acceptable when kids in developing economies doing the same things are suddenly not.
      - TylerE 4y ago
        It's a symptom of a larger disease. Focus on the disease, not the symptom.
        Retric 4y ago
        You lost me, how do Child Actors fit into your analogy? Or do you mean curtail bias?
        TylerE 4y ago
        Fever is a symptom. Viral pneumonia is a disease. Child labor is a symptom. Unchecked hypercapitalism is a disease.
        Retric 4y ago
        Child labor existed long before capitalism. If anything the correlation goes in the other direction with capitalism reducing child labor over time due to it’s dependence on an educated workforce.
        cassianoleal 4y ago
        > capitalism reducing child labor over time due to it’s dependence on an educated workforce. Dependence on an educated workforce is orthogonal to the economic system. Rather it's a corollary of scientific and technological advancement.
        Retric 4y ago
        Feudalism isn’t dependent on an educated workforce and historically the two seemingly could not coexist.
        cassianoleal 4y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
lazyeye 4y ago
Who here is looking to be helped on this particular issue?

happytoexplain 4y ago

I am giving the GP the benefit of the doubt and don't think they are engaging in child labor whataboutism, but I also think they should write in a way that does not invite the qualification of "I think his point is...". >pointing out just one particular item isn't very helpful It absolutely is. And pointing out more is even better!

Retric 4y ago
> It absolutely is. And pointing out more is even better. I don’t see how. If I point out your PC, car, house, office, etc are all likely built in some small way from child labor you’re going to do what exactly? There’s plenty of documentation for many egregious cases, but when you look at the full supply chain for anything it quickly starts to look like the global economy as a whole. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-of-goods https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-o...
- TylerE 4y ago
  And are the deplorable conditions suddenly a-ok the day they turn 18?
  - Retric 4y ago
    Child labor is somewhat orthogonal to deplorable conditions. Child actors can easily fit the definition. There’s also an unfortunate cultural bias where people may view for example Amish children skipping school to take in a harvest as perfectly acceptable when kids in developing economies doing the same things are suddenly not.
    - TylerE 4y ago
      It's a symptom of a larger disease. Focus on the disease, not the symptom.
      - Retric 4y ago
        You lost me, how do Child Actors fit into your analogy? Or do you mean curtail bias?
        TylerE 4y ago
        Fever is a symptom. Viral pneumonia is a disease. Child labor is a symptom. Unchecked hypercapitalism is a disease.
        Retric 4y ago
        Child labor existed long before capitalism. If anything the correlation goes in the other direction with capitalism reducing child labor over time due to it’s dependence on an educated workforce.
        cassianoleal 4y ago
        > capitalism reducing child labor over time due to it’s dependence on an educated workforce. Dependence on an educated workforce is orthogonal to the economic system. Rather it's a corollary of scientific and technological advancement.
        Retric 4y ago
        Feudalism isn’t dependent on an educated workforce and historically the two seemingly could not coexist.
        cassianoleal 4y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

lazyeye 4y ago

Who here is looking to be helped on this particular issue?