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Child labor in the… Fashion and footwear industry: https://labs.theguardian.com/unicef-child-labour/ https://labs.theguardian.com/unicef-child-labour/ Shrimp

Child labor in the… Fashion and footwear industry: https://labs.theguardian.com/unicef-child-labour/ https://labs.theguardian.com/unicef-child-labour/ Shrimp processing: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/dec/14/shrimp-sold-by-global-supermarkets-is-peeled-by-slave-labourers-in-thailand https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/dec/14/s... Mining: https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/---asia/---ro-bangkok/---ilo-manila/documents/publication/wcms_720743.pdf https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/---asia/---ro-bangk... And everything else: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-of-goods https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-o...

Overtonwindow 4y ago
This is great information and everything, but it seems like you're deflecting. Your smartphone was still made by child labor.
- tomohelix 4y ago
  I think his point is that given the context that everything is involved with child labor somehow, pointing out just one particular item isn't very helpful. More nuances about iphone being a luxury brand and therefore less justifiable and more "disgusting" can be added. But like how you said it above, it doesn't change the fact that the very economy and the comfort we are enjoying partly come from child labor.
  - happytoexplain 4y ago
    I am giving the GP the benefit of the doubt and don't think they are engaging in child labor whataboutism, but I also think they should write in a way that does not invite the qualification of "I think his point is...". >pointing out just one particular item isn't very helpful It absolutely is. And pointing out more is even better!
    - Retric 4y ago
      > It absolutely is. And pointing out more is even better. I don’t see how. If I point out your PC, car, house, office, etc are all likely built in some small way from child labor you’re going to do what exactly? There’s plenty of documentation for many egregious cases, but when you look at the full supply chain for anything it quickly starts to look like the global economy as a whole. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-of-goods https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-o...
      - TylerE 4y ago
        And are the deplorable conditions suddenly a-ok the day they turn 18?
        Retric 4y ago
        Child labor is somewhat orthogonal to deplorable conditions. Child actors can easily fit the definition. There’s also an unfortunate cultural bias where people may view for example Amish children skipping school to take in a harvest as perfectly acceptable when kids in developing economies doing the same things are suddenly not.
        TylerE 4y ago
        It's a symptom of a larger disease. Focus on the disease, not the symptom.
        Retric 4y ago
        You lost me, how do Child Actors fit into your analogy? Or do you mean curtail bias?
        TylerE 4y ago
        Fever is a symptom. Viral pneumonia is a disease. Child labor is a symptom. Unchecked hypercapitalism is a disease.
  - lazyeye 4y ago
    Who here is looking to be helped on this particular issue?
- justinator 4y ago
  Anything created under Capitalism is probably morally repulsive on one level or another. I vote to get rid of it entirely, if we can only come up with a better solution. For now, I personally try to participate as little as possible in it.
  - justinator 4y ago
    Disagree with me all you want, but if you reply with a point, I'll be honest with a counterpoint.
- serf 4y ago
  >Your smartphone was still made by child labor. that's mighty presumptuous. and listing other child labor profiteers has a point : it illustrates that perhaps we should probably look for and fix the root causes of child labor rather than punishing a single perpetrator.
- deleted 4y ago
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innagadadavida 4y ago
In some of these countries, going to school might give you a less prosperous life. How should the typical westerner deal with these facts?
- hammyhavoc 4y ago
  Hold the corps to account, vote with your wallet, demand that they reinvest profits in education and betterment and development of these geographic areas.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    So where do you start? Your phone? Computer? Clothes? Car? Food?
    - makapuf 4y ago
      Anything, I would say.
    - hammyhavoc 4y ago
      Clothes is a nice and easy one to begin with choosing an alternative for because it's a much more simplistic product with a more easily traced supply chain. Phones, computers and cars are something we'll likely struggle with for a long time. For anything else, the public will likely need to demand change as I doubt a superior or equal alternative will emerge. With that said, products like the FairPhone are very interesting, though I haven't used one. Food is something that'll largely hinge on your geographic area and availability of produce that makes sense.

Overtonwindow 4y ago

This is great information and everything, but it seems like you're deflecting. Your smartphone was still made by child labor.

tomohelix 4y ago
I think his point is that given the context that everything is involved with child labor somehow, pointing out just one particular item isn't very helpful. More nuances about iphone being a luxury brand and therefore less justifiable and more "disgusting" can be added. But like how you said it above, it doesn't change the fact that the very economy and the comfort we are enjoying partly come from child labor.
- happytoexplain 4y ago
  I am giving the GP the benefit of the doubt and don't think they are engaging in child labor whataboutism, but I also think they should write in a way that does not invite the qualification of "I think his point is...". >pointing out just one particular item isn't very helpful It absolutely is. And pointing out more is even better!
  - Retric 4y ago
    > It absolutely is. And pointing out more is even better. I don’t see how. If I point out your PC, car, house, office, etc are all likely built in some small way from child labor you’re going to do what exactly? There’s plenty of documentation for many egregious cases, but when you look at the full supply chain for anything it quickly starts to look like the global economy as a whole. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-of-goods https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-o...
    - TylerE 4y ago
      And are the deplorable conditions suddenly a-ok the day they turn 18?
      - Retric 4y ago
        Child labor is somewhat orthogonal to deplorable conditions. Child actors can easily fit the definition. There’s also an unfortunate cultural bias where people may view for example Amish children skipping school to take in a harvest as perfectly acceptable when kids in developing economies doing the same things are suddenly not.
        TylerE 4y ago
        It's a symptom of a larger disease. Focus on the disease, not the symptom.
        Retric 4y ago
        You lost me, how do Child Actors fit into your analogy? Or do you mean curtail bias?
        TylerE 4y ago
        Fever is a symptom. Viral pneumonia is a disease. Child labor is a symptom. Unchecked hypercapitalism is a disease.
- lazyeye 4y ago
  Who here is looking to be helped on this particular issue?
justinator 4y ago
Anything created under Capitalism is probably morally repulsive on one level or another. I vote to get rid of it entirely, if we can only come up with a better solution. For now, I personally try to participate as little as possible in it.
- justinator 4y ago
  Disagree with me all you want, but if you reply with a point, I'll be honest with a counterpoint.
serf 4y ago
>Your smartphone was still made by child labor. that's mighty presumptuous. and listing other child labor profiteers has a point : it illustrates that perhaps we should probably look for and fix the root causes of child labor rather than punishing a single perpetrator.
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innagadadavida 4y ago

In some of these countries, going to school might give you a less prosperous life. How should the typical westerner deal with these facts?

hammyhavoc 4y ago
Hold the corps to account, vote with your wallet, demand that they reinvest profits in education and betterment and development of these geographic areas.
- scarface74 4y ago
  So where do you start? Your phone? Computer? Clothes? Car? Food?
  - makapuf 4y ago
    Anything, I would say.
  - hammyhavoc 4y ago
    Clothes is a nice and easy one to begin with choosing an alternative for because it's a much more simplistic product with a more easily traced supply chain. Phones, computers and cars are something we'll likely struggle with for a long time. For anything else, the public will likely need to demand change as I doubt a superior or equal alternative will emerge. With that said, products like the FairPhone are very interesting, though I haven't used one. Food is something that'll largely hinge on your geographic area and availability of produce that makes sense.