ORMs generally solve a different problem than the query language. In SQL, everything is a table (that's not 100% true, but it's close enough). So, joins still r

ORMs generally solve a different problem than the query language. In SQL, everything is a table (that's not 100% true, but it's close enough). So, joins still result in a flat list of records. ORMs solve the problem of translating a flat list of records into objects that have arrays of other objects. Some people also use them to avoid having to write SQL, but that's honestly a secondary feature. You can have a more modern query language that still results in tables