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>VPNs that don't participate in these BS schemes (or can't pay $100/signup, and wait for ROI 3 years later), have only 1 way to grow: word of mouth, based on th

>VPNs that don't participate in these BS schemes (or can't pay $100/signup, and wait for ROI 3 years later), have only 1 way to grow: word of mouth, based on the merits of the product. This is very difficult to do given the massive ad spend of the "big VPNs", and false advertising they engage in. Highly agree with this statement. That's why from my experience of using PIA, windscribe, keepsolid, Nord and mullvad. I keep recommending mullvad VPN to collegues, acquittances and online friend (on a down side their IP reputation sucks badly, too much of captchas)

Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
> (on a down side their IP reputation sucks badly, too much of captchas) I'd be surprised if this doesn't apply to ALL commercial VPNs.
- yegor 4y ago
  There are ways to get around it. I'm confident you will see much fewer CAPTCHAs on our network, as we have mitigations in place for it.
  - iudqnolq 4y ago
    I don't know much about VPNs but that statement is one of my red flags: when a VPN provider is vague about ip reputation migrations I assume they're buying residential proxys.
    - yegor 4y ago
      We do use those for geo-unblocking, but they're not used for anti-CAPTCHA mitigations. We own and operate special purposes ASes and IP prefixes for that. All of this can also be (verifiably) disabled by the end user in the web control panel.
      - iudqnolq 4y ago
        > We own and operate special purposes ASes and IP prefixes for that. The part that seems shady to me is how you do this without being caught by the up database providers are marked as a non-residential ip.
        andreareina 4y ago
        My read of GP's reply is: they use residential proxies to get around geo-blocking, and separately have special purpose ASs to avoid captchas. They're separate solutions serving separate needs; connecting to Netflix gets you the residential IP, regular browsing would get you the other one.
      - LoganDark 4y ago
        > We do use those for geo-unblocking What steps, if any, are you taking to make sure you are sourcing your residential proxies ethically? Honest question.
  - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
    Impossible unless you have a number of IP addresses that gets close to your total number of customers online. As soon as a service starts seeing a dozen users from a single IP, they're gonna start throwing CAPTCHAs on them more.
    - yegor 4y ago
      A single IPv6 /32 contains 4 billion /64s. Most CAPTCHA delivery domains support IPv6.
stereoradonc 4y ago
I implemented the SOCKS5 proxy, and I hardly get any. Shifted from ProtonVPN to Mullvad; rock solid connection; great app. Totally worth the investment. ProtonVPN's app is clunky, and I am not happy with it. Besides, zero Linux support despite the premium charge. I am not affiliated with Mullvad, but this represents an excellent value for money. I still have to try Windscribe. I have heard good things about them.

Sohcahtoa82 4y ago

> (on a down side their IP reputation sucks badly, too much of captchas) I'd be surprised if this doesn't apply to ALL commercial VPNs.

yegor 4y ago
There are ways to get around it. I'm confident you will see much fewer CAPTCHAs on our network, as we have mitigations in place for it.
- iudqnolq 4y ago
  I don't know much about VPNs but that statement is one of my red flags: when a VPN provider is vague about ip reputation migrations I assume they're buying residential proxys.
  - yegor 4y ago
    We do use those for geo-unblocking, but they're not used for anti-CAPTCHA mitigations. We own and operate special purposes ASes and IP prefixes for that. All of this can also be (verifiably) disabled by the end user in the web control panel.
    - iudqnolq 4y ago
      > We own and operate special purposes ASes and IP prefixes for that. The part that seems shady to me is how you do this without being caught by the up database providers are marked as a non-residential ip.
      - andreareina 4y ago
        My read of GP's reply is: they use residential proxies to get around geo-blocking, and separately have special purpose ASs to avoid captchas. They're separate solutions serving separate needs; connecting to Netflix gets you the residential IP, regular browsing would get you the other one.
    - LoganDark 4y ago
      > We do use those for geo-unblocking What steps, if any, are you taking to make sure you are sourcing your residential proxies ethically? Honest question.
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
  Impossible unless you have a number of IP addresses that gets close to your total number of customers online. As soon as a service starts seeing a dozen users from a single IP, they're gonna start throwing CAPTCHAs on them more.
  - yegor 4y ago
    A single IPv6 /32 contains 4 billion /64s. Most CAPTCHA delivery domains support IPv6.

stereoradonc 4y ago

I implemented the SOCKS5 proxy, and I hardly get any. Shifted from ProtonVPN to Mullvad; rock solid connection; great app. Totally worth the investment. ProtonVPN's app is clunky, and I am not happy with it. Besides, zero Linux support despite the premium charge. I am not affiliated with Mullvad, but this represents an excellent value for money. I still have to try Windscribe. I have heard good things about them.