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I'll take a look at your product. FWIW as a casual observer of consumer VPN recently, I will tell you two companies I have used and so far liked: Mullvad, it p

I'll take a look at your product. FWIW as a casual observer of consumer VPN recently, I will tell you two companies I have used and so far liked: Mullvad, it performs well and I feel that the ability to pay cash/crypto, the lack of subscription both are tangible signals that they are real about anonymity. Proton, with their Secure Core features is pretty nifty and I like that they have other products that shoehorn into "getting away from being spied on" by providing mail/calendar/drive storage as an alternative to Google. Their drive product could use some work but overall I'm really happy to pay $10/mo for VPN+custom domain mail+500GB of available cold storage. Thanks for the background on the industry.

yegor 4y ago
I'm personally puzzled by Proton. Their "pedigree" is nothing to snuff at, however being a privacy oriented service and then getting consumers to tunnel all their traffic through you, use your email, cloud storage, and calendar (basically all your personal info) is an odd proposition. Same goes for Nord, who also has a password manager on top of all of this. "We store no logs for your privacy", all whole literally storing your entire life under the umbrella of one company. Why not just stick with Google at that point? At least they're a public company and heavily regulated.
- unethical_ban 4y ago
  Sure if someone had a certain threat model they would want to scatter their service providers more. It does go on trust a bit that Proton is doing what they say, considering you can't "prove" they don't keep logs and that I never personally loaded a public key onto a server for them to encrypt with; they kind of hand-wave it and I assume my password is used to unlock a key that decrypts content client-side.
stereoradonc 4y ago
Proton is overrated on most aspects; Fastmail is a better alternative to Proton Mail. Dropbox better than Proton Drive. (I understand you are paranoid about it, but just mentioning it is still better technically).

yegor 4y ago

I'm personally puzzled by Proton. Their "pedigree" is nothing to snuff at, however being a privacy oriented service and then getting consumers to tunnel all their traffic through you, use your email, cloud storage, and calendar (basically all your personal info) is an odd proposition. Same goes for Nord, who also has a password manager on top of all of this. "We store no logs for your privacy", all whole literally storing your entire life under the umbrella of one company. Why not just stick with Google at that point? At least they're a public company and heavily regulated.

unethical_ban 4y ago
Sure if someone had a certain threat model they would want to scatter their service providers more. It does go on trust a bit that Proton is doing what they say, considering you can't "prove" they don't keep logs and that I never personally loaded a public key onto a server for them to encrypt with; they kind of hand-wave it and I assume my password is used to unlock a key that decrypts content client-side.

stereoradonc 4y ago

Proton is overrated on most aspects; Fastmail is a better alternative to Proton Mail. Dropbox better than Proton Drive. (I understand you are paranoid about it, but just mentioning it is still better technically).