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Is it, though? Are you ignoring the entire issue of now needing an economic border either between the Irelands, or between Northern Ireland and Great Britain?

Is it, though? Are you ignoring the entire issue of now needing an economic border either between the Irelands, or between Northern Ireland and Great Britain? Bitterness aside, the island being split in two makes no sense from an outsider.

xrikcus 4y ago
Does Singapore make more sense? Papua New Guinea? Alaska, for that matter? All borders seem pretty arbitrary when you get down to it, but it's hardly alone in being a weird bit at the end of a bigger bit where one or other is part of a detached bit.
- unethical_ban 4y ago
  I don't know about Singapore or Papua New Guinea. We could get philosophical about Alaska, but the geo/demo-graphic situations are completely different from Ireland. This is an island smaller than Ohio with five million people on it - people with a shared history going back many hundreds of years and seeming to not want to be separated. Brexit threw a wrench in the idea of a seamless border between the Republic of Ireland and the UK. You either have a customs border between the islands of Ireland and GB, or you have a customs border between the Republic and the North. I don't see how it feasibly goes any other way, and neither of those make all parties happy.
  - Veen 4y ago
    > people with a shared history going back many hundreds of years and seeming to not want to be separated Many people in Northern Ireland—a narrow majority at the moment—consider themselves to be British and do not want to be separated from the UK. That's why it's such a tricky problem.
  - rospaya 4y ago
    This almost sounds like a parody of American meddling and ignorance, complete with the US state population comparison. Not saying you don't have a point (I have no skin in the game) but I read thousands of similar western comments about various countries "smaller than $state!" and they're never helpful.
    - unethical_ban 4y ago
      If it makes it any better, I wasn't trying to be helpful, I was trying to understand Ireland and someone else started whatabouting with other countries and states. You see, people sometimes use familiar locations or factual references to draw comparisons to other items or places.

xrikcus 4y ago

Does Singapore make more sense? Papua New Guinea? Alaska, for that matter? All borders seem pretty arbitrary when you get down to it, but it's hardly alone in being a weird bit at the end of a bigger bit where one or other is part of a detached bit.

unethical_ban 4y ago
I don't know about Singapore or Papua New Guinea. We could get philosophical about Alaska, but the geo/demo-graphic situations are completely different from Ireland. This is an island smaller than Ohio with five million people on it - people with a shared history going back many hundreds of years and seeming to not want to be separated. Brexit threw a wrench in the idea of a seamless border between the Republic of Ireland and the UK. You either have a customs border between the islands of Ireland and GB, or you have a customs border between the Republic and the North. I don't see how it feasibly goes any other way, and neither of those make all parties happy.
- Veen 4y ago
  > people with a shared history going back many hundreds of years and seeming to not want to be separated Many people in Northern Ireland—a narrow majority at the moment—consider themselves to be British and do not want to be separated from the UK. That's why it's such a tricky problem.
- rospaya 4y ago
  This almost sounds like a parody of American meddling and ignorance, complete with the US state population comparison. Not saying you don't have a point (I have no skin in the game) but I read thousands of similar western comments about various countries "smaller than $state!" and they're never helpful.
  - unethical_ban 4y ago
    If it makes it any better, I wasn't trying to be helpful, I was trying to understand Ireland and someone else started whatabouting with other countries and states. You see, people sometimes use familiar locations or factual references to draw comparisons to other items or places.