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If anyone in the US ever wanted to become vegetarian, I suggest they drive through Greeley, Colorado past the lines of cattle cars waiting to enter the slaughte

If anyone in the US ever wanted to become vegetarian, I suggest they drive through Greeley, Colorado past the lines of cattle cars waiting to enter the slaughterhouses. Their nose may curse them, however.

Kretinsky 4y ago
It's a common mistake to think all farming is done like american industrialized farming. If you want to start eating meat again, I'd recommend you come to France's Morvan to see Charolais cattle in the green pastures, living a semi-wild life away from any stress. Or in the Alps, where the cows spend their summer eating grass and flowers outside, with only a guard dog taking care they don't get lost.
- eindiran 4y ago
  If you are eating meat in the US and aren't going significantly out of your way to get meat not farmed "that" way, you're getting meat farmed "that" way, whether or not that offends your sensibilities. The pretense that you can wishfully pretend that your Aldi's steaks and McDonald's burgers were farmed in some preindustrial idyllic georgic is offensive to a degree that cannot be overstated.
  - Kretinsky 4y ago
    If consumers were signaling their demand for meat from ethical farming, then be sure that American capitalism would change plenty of things to improve animal conditions. Because vegetarianism is mainly a habit of the wealthy in the US, it may even increase the share of industrial farming, as the ethical farmers lose their natural customers with enough spending power to buy their products.
    - tinglymintyfrsh 4y ago
      It doesn't take wealth to be vegetarian. It takes eyeballs and a brain to realize it's suicidal and omnicidal in the way of vulture capitalism to continue to eating meat. (No pun intended.)
  - pvaldes 4y ago
    > The pretense that you can wishfully pretend that your Aldi's steaks and McDonald's burgers were farmed in some preindustrial idyllic georgic is offensive to a degree that cannot be overstated. First of all, eating at McDonalds is 100% optional and nobody is pretending anything, so calm yourself down. Lots of farmers still raise cattle this way. Omnivores definitely can find meat raised in fairly decent conditions [1] and at an affordable price (remember also than omnivores don't eat only meat). Just ask your trusted butcher about the origin of the meat or read the fucking tag showing the origin of the product. [1] On the other hand, not all the fruits that vegans happily consume where cultured in "utopia", but for some reason we never talk about that.
    - barbazoo 4y ago
      > Omnivores definitely can find meat raised in fairly decent conditions and at an affordable price (if not, remember than omnivores don't eat only meat). On the other hand, not all the fruits that vegans happily consume where cultured in "utopia", but for some reason we never talk about that. Doesn't mean omnivores don't also consume said fruit, as you said, "remember than omnivores don't eat only meat".
- tinglymintyfrsh 4y ago
  Don't eat meat again. It's wasteful and has a high carbon footprint regardless of rationalization method. Meat agriculture leads to: - climate change - food price inflation - pandemics - antibiotic resistance - vulnerable workforce exploitation - and, of course, animal cruelty

Kretinsky 4y ago

It's a common mistake to think all farming is done like american industrialized farming. If you want to start eating meat again, I'd recommend you come to France's Morvan to see Charolais cattle in the green pastures, living a semi-wild life away from any stress. Or in the Alps, where the cows spend their summer eating grass and flowers outside, with only a guard dog taking care they don't get lost.

eindiran 4y ago
If you are eating meat in the US and aren't going significantly out of your way to get meat not farmed "that" way, you're getting meat farmed "that" way, whether or not that offends your sensibilities. The pretense that you can wishfully pretend that your Aldi's steaks and McDonald's burgers were farmed in some preindustrial idyllic georgic is offensive to a degree that cannot be overstated.
- Kretinsky 4y ago
  If consumers were signaling their demand for meat from ethical farming, then be sure that American capitalism would change plenty of things to improve animal conditions. Because vegetarianism is mainly a habit of the wealthy in the US, it may even increase the share of industrial farming, as the ethical farmers lose their natural customers with enough spending power to buy their products.
  - tinglymintyfrsh 4y ago
    It doesn't take wealth to be vegetarian. It takes eyeballs and a brain to realize it's suicidal and omnicidal in the way of vulture capitalism to continue to eating meat. (No pun intended.)
- pvaldes 4y ago
  > The pretense that you can wishfully pretend that your Aldi's steaks and McDonald's burgers were farmed in some preindustrial idyllic georgic is offensive to a degree that cannot be overstated. First of all, eating at McDonalds is 100% optional and nobody is pretending anything, so calm yourself down. Lots of farmers still raise cattle this way. Omnivores definitely can find meat raised in fairly decent conditions [1] and at an affordable price (remember also than omnivores don't eat only meat). Just ask your trusted butcher about the origin of the meat or read the fucking tag showing the origin of the product. [1] On the other hand, not all the fruits that vegans happily consume where cultured in "utopia", but for some reason we never talk about that.
  - barbazoo 4y ago
    > Omnivores definitely can find meat raised in fairly decent conditions and at an affordable price (if not, remember than omnivores don't eat only meat). On the other hand, not all the fruits that vegans happily consume where cultured in "utopia", but for some reason we never talk about that. Doesn't mean omnivores don't also consume said fruit, as you said, "remember than omnivores don't eat only meat".
tinglymintyfrsh 4y ago
Don't eat meat again. It's wasteful and has a high carbon footprint regardless of rationalization method. Meat agriculture leads to: - climate change - food price inflation - pandemics - antibiotic resistance - vulnerable workforce exploitation - and, of course, animal cruelty