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What percentage are entrepreneurs and what percentage are people with mental health problems and or drug addiction?
by misssocrates 3y ago
What percentage are entrepreneurs and what percentage are people with mental health problems and or drug addiction?
- tedivm 3y agoFunny how questions like this were completely ignored in the previous conversation where people were shitting on the homeless, but suddenly are important now that the homeless aren't the target anymore.
- soundsabout 3y agoThe cognitive dissonance here is becoming farcical quickly. Careful, people really don't like it when you point it out! I was really hoping the grandparent was being tongue-in-cheek but, the lie-to-myself kind of hope.
- __pache__ 3y agoI'm confused, what's your point? It's a "win" that this killing was by a certain person? Has nothing to do with shit on the streets, etc. etc.
- fghsqwads 3y ago[flagged]
- anigbrowl 3y agoNo, it's a win that poor people (most of whom are not violent criminals) are not being unfairly proxy-blamed for this murder any more.
- __pache__ 3y ago[flagged]
- jakelazaroff 3y agoHere's how the cycle works. We decide a certain group of people ("literally the dregs [sic] of society") causes most of our problems. Then we pass laws targeting that group, and enforce the laws most strictly against against that group — and surprise, that group ends up getting caught breaking the law most often! Then we use that to drum up further public sentiment against that group. Rinse, repeat. Crime is a social construct. We choose what's illegal and what's not. We enforce some of the laws, against some of the people, some of the time. Saying that a certain group commits the vast majority of crimes is meaningless without additional context. And if your additional context is that they're "literally the dregs of society", you're not being serious — you just have an axe to grind.
- __pache__ 3y agoHard disagree, people are responsible for themselves. Sure society can suck, but ultimately rising out of that is your problem. See: like, everyone's history? > Saying that a certain group commits the vast majority of crimes is meaningless without additional context. are there poor people who totally deserve it? is it the majority of them?
- throwntoday 3y ago[flagged]
- shadowgovt 3y agoThe citizens of a city are the citizens, not a drain. A city that considers its citizens a "drain" has optimized for something other than being a city.
- throwntoday 3y agoPeople living on the street are not citizens.
- shadowgovt 3y agoDefinitionally untrue.
- feanaro 3y agoWhat the hell? Losing your home makes you a non-citizen? Were you ironic?
- misssocrates 3y agoI may have missed that one or didn't think of the question yet.
- Retr0id 3y agoThere's a lot of overlap in that venn diagram.
- anigbrowl 3y agoMore than you'd think. You're more likely to be murdered by someone you know than a stranger. iirc it's something like ~55% chance of someone you know, ~25% chance of a family member, ~45% chance of a stranger (which could be anything from drug deals gone bad to serial killers). You can delve into the data but but the format isn't the same for every year so it might be some work to normalize: https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/more-fbi-services-and-information/ucr https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/more-fbi-services-an...
- jakelazaroff 3y agoYeah, this is something that frustrates me in every discussion about crime. People take a murder rate of X per hundred people and use that to argue that you have an X% chance of being murdered walking down the street. Except that's not true, because like you point out, your odds of being murdered by a rando are way lower than the murder rate as a whole! This is exactly why the reactionary push for police in response to the murder spike in 2020 and 2021 made no sense. The issue wasn't that people were going out and murdering more — it was that they were locked down in their homes with the people most likely to murder them. You can't fix that by adding more beat cops.
- achates 3y agoThat statistic could only possibly exist for solved murders. Only ~50% of murders are solved and it's much easier to solve if the victim knows the killer. This sounds like a "looking for your keys under the street lights" scenario.
- jakelazaroff 3y agoUsing that same logic: since you don’t know whether victims of unsolved murders knew the killer, how could you know which is easier to solve?
- viridian 3y agoThe person you are replying to is making a rational argument, not an empirical one. The premise that may be understated is "cases are more likely to be solved when the victim is known to the killer, because the amount of people who know a person is far smaller and more easily investigable than the entire general public."
- shadowgovt 3y agoWhat percentage of what? If you mean "What percentage of crimes are committed by," it's probably the second population. Probably. I'm actually pretty weak on that narrative right now. If you mean "What percentage of the population described is committing violent crimes that should result in jail time," I'm even weaker on it. Because the homeless population is way, way larger than the tech-entrepreneur population, so by percentage of population I think it's a toss-up without hard numbers. It doesn't take many dead executives on a yacht or strangled estranged wives to tilt the numbers when the population is small.
- digitaltrees 3y agoUmm. Lots of entrepreneurs have both mental health problems and use drugs. Especially use drugs.
- quantified 3y agoUse the drugs that make you violent or so in need that they need to rob to get their next fix? Or the ones that make you think a lot and eat lots of tacos?
- mock-possum 3y agoNah it’s more of a “it’s easy to find a stick if you want to beat a dog” situation - drugs don’t make you do much of anything, aside from provide an excuse to do the thing you were too scared to do while sober. Drugs are the excuse, not the reason. I’m not a violent guy, and I’ve never had a drug encourage me to act violently. Yes, even ‘those’ drugs. I am however a lazy guy, and I’ve often had drugs encourage me to indulge my laziness.
- tonymillion 3y agoDrugs can and do easily exacerbate pre-existing conditions. Especially mental health problems which would otherwise be controlled without intervention. Many “crimes of passion” have had inebriation as a root cause of the lashing out.
- quantified 3y agoGood to remember that alcohol is a mood-altering drug. However, its popularity is not limited to tech bros.
- tomcam 3y agoI think a lot and eat lots of tacos with zero illicit drug use. I’m pretty sure that makes me an overachiever
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- random314 3y agoIf you want to get all numerical. Let's say an extremely generous 1% of SF population are tech entrepreneurs. 1 out of every 12 murders in SF this year was committed by a tech entrepreneur. This would imply that Tech entrepreneurs were 12 times more likely to kill you than any other SF local, an astonishing 1100% higher murder likelihood than average! Given that this is a forum frequented by a lot of SF Tech entrepreneurs, the FBI should monitor this forum or perhaps shut it down all together.
- misssocrates 3y agoThat's funny, but what if you look at the past 20 or 30 years so you have a larger sample?
- Maursault 3y ago> What percentage are entrepreneurs and what percentage are people with mental health problems and or drug addiction? Not for nothing, the mentally ill and/or drug addicts are no more likely to commit violent crime than you, i.e. the general population. It's amazing how with every suspect of violent crime, the first thing everyone wonders is about their mental health. Here's something to consider: everyone is mentally ill, and the majority of everyone is addicted to something or other. Let's stop demonizing mental illness and drug addiction, which are both medical conditions; stop looking for explanations there, and focus on one thing: the actual crime, the actual behavior, what happened, not what they where thinking and not if they were high. And fuck all else, especially the Goddamn bigotry. If you want a reason for violent crime, money's usually got everything to do with it. Use money as a lens, not personal biases. Because in my experience, the greatest individuals that have ever lived, that have contributed the most to humanity, were severely mentally ill, and the greatest artists, that contributed the most and most amazing pieces, paintings, music, film, that have survived the test of time, were drug addicts.
- tshaddox 3y agoA reasonable question, but barely relevant to the emotional reaction to this specific tragedy, which involved a single victim and presumably a single killer and is unlikely to have much effect on the overall percentages.
- trog 3y ago> What percentage are entrepreneurs and what percentage are people with mental health problems and or drug addiction? Never really met anyone that described themselves as an 'entrepreneur' that actually was one though. Lots of people that wanted to desperately identify as one and they'd spend all their time telling anyone who'd listen that's what they were. In contrast, the actual entrepreneurs are too busy actually going out there and building things. I think it's a label that only makes sense when it's applied by someone else.
- tomcam 3y agoMeh, several my friends and I did. Each of us were very successful but we all had slightly nerdy jobs that were a bit hard to explain to muggles.
- achenet 3y agoread your comment as "what percentage of entrepreneurs are people with mental health problems and or drug addiction?" which actually is a really interesting question.