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I totally disagree. For example, Twitter releasing the algorithm showed us that certain specific people were getting artificially boosted. We also saw that th

I totally disagree. For example, Twitter releasing the algorithm showed us that certain specific people were getting artificially boosted. We also saw that the topic of the war in Ukraine was getting special treatment. Yes, we all guessed that was happening, but without the code it was just supposition that Twitter could deny.

JohnFen 4y ago
> Twitter releasing the algorithm showed us that certain specific people were getting artificially boosted. It did? Did I miss something here? I don't remember seeing that. There was certainly code that tallied certain specific people and topics, but I don't see an indication of what was done with that tally.
- BaseballPhysics 4y ago
  https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/28/23659842/twitter-boost-elon-musk-dril-mrbeast-algorithm-accounts https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/28/23659842/twitter-boost-el... > To help assuage Musk’s concerns, Platformer reports that Twitter’s engineers created a way to “tweak” the site’s ranking system when they noticed a high-profile user’s engagement dropping, ensuring “that tweets from those accounts were always shown.” That’s part of the reason why users saw Musk all over their timelines in February, as it essentially exempts these accounts from Twitter’s algorithm (although Platformer says Musk’s boost was different from what all the other users receive). https://gizmodo.com/twitter-algorithm-aoc-ben-shapiro-catturd2-1850272655 https://gizmodo.com/twitter-algorithm-aoc-ben-shapiro-cattur... > In February, Twitter rolled out a system to boost Musk’s tweets over everyone else’s and began boosting the tweets of these VIPS, albeit to a lesser extent. https://gizmodo.com/twitter-musk-ukraine-crisis-open-source-code-russia-1850293386 https://gizmodo.com/twitter-musk-ukraine-crisis-open-source-... > Misinformation is highly down-ranked > Anything that is categorized as misinformation gets the rug pulled out from under it. > Surprisingly, so are posts about Ukraine. ... > Late on Monday, Gupta told Gizmodo that “upon further investigation” he and his fellows looking into the Twitter code found that it only applies to Twitter Spaces, the platform’s live meeting feature.
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    Right, but none of those things were disclosed in the algorithm's release. They were disclosed prior to that. I though that perhaps you were talking about something new.
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    - BaseballPhysics 4y ago
      True, the list of VIPs was reported on by platformer a couple of days in advance of the code release due to information leaked by insiders, but that could've easily been denied by Twitter. The release of code confirmed those claims. The Ukraine issue was only discovered due to the code disclosure.
rektide 4y ago
One, no one will ever be this careless again. Two, Twitter claims that whole area was for telemetry. This comment does a massive disservice & deeply injures the cause for real transparency. It does it by making a very cheap shot at a very dumb situation. To say that this makes not having the models OK or interesting or useful? I highly protest. This is a sad distracting sideshow & letting oneself be lured & baited into thinking this little morsel is filling or informative is... Ughh I just can't no, that's just so low a position.

JohnFen 4y ago

> Twitter releasing the algorithm showed us that certain specific people were getting artificially boosted. It did? Did I miss something here? I don't remember seeing that. There was certainly code that tallied certain specific people and topics, but I don't see an indication of what was done with that tally.

BaseballPhysics 4y ago
https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/28/23659842/twitter-boost-elon-musk-dril-mrbeast-algorithm-accounts https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/28/23659842/twitter-boost-el... > To help assuage Musk’s concerns, Platformer reports that Twitter’s engineers created a way to “tweak” the site’s ranking system when they noticed a high-profile user’s engagement dropping, ensuring “that tweets from those accounts were always shown.” That’s part of the reason why users saw Musk all over their timelines in February, as it essentially exempts these accounts from Twitter’s algorithm (although Platformer says Musk’s boost was different from what all the other users receive). https://gizmodo.com/twitter-algorithm-aoc-ben-shapiro-catturd2-1850272655 https://gizmodo.com/twitter-algorithm-aoc-ben-shapiro-cattur... > In February, Twitter rolled out a system to boost Musk’s tweets over everyone else’s and began boosting the tweets of these VIPS, albeit to a lesser extent. https://gizmodo.com/twitter-musk-ukraine-crisis-open-source-code-russia-1850293386 https://gizmodo.com/twitter-musk-ukraine-crisis-open-source-... > Misinformation is highly down-ranked > Anything that is categorized as misinformation gets the rug pulled out from under it. > Surprisingly, so are posts about Ukraine. ... > Late on Monday, Gupta told Gizmodo that “upon further investigation” he and his fellows looking into the Twitter code found that it only applies to Twitter Spaces, the platform’s live meeting feature.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  Right, but none of those things were disclosed in the algorithm's release. They were disclosed prior to that. I though that perhaps you were talking about something new.
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  - BaseballPhysics 4y ago
    True, the list of VIPs was reported on by platformer a couple of days in advance of the code release due to information leaked by insiders, but that could've easily been denied by Twitter. The release of code confirmed those claims. The Ukraine issue was only discovered due to the code disclosure.

rektide 4y ago

One, no one will ever be this careless again. Two, Twitter claims that whole area was for telemetry. This comment does a massive disservice & deeply injures the cause for real transparency. It does it by making a very cheap shot at a very dumb situation. To say that this makes not having the models OK or interesting or useful? I highly protest. This is a sad distracting sideshow & letting oneself be lured & baited into thinking this little morsel is filling or informative is... Ughh I just can't no, that's just so low a position.