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Don't do that. Don't diminish the work of someone simply because they are a woman. Even assuming that money was given as part of some diversity program, to impl

by jjeaff 4y ago

Don't do that. Don't diminish the work of someone simply because they are a woman. Even assuming that money was given as part of some diversity program, to imply that is the only reason she got an investment is to imply that there are simply no qualified women out there deserving of investment. It's just like the criticism of Biden having appointed "so many" Black female judges. As if they are not perfectly qualified or even more qualified than a white male judge would have been. Not to mention the fact that "qualifications" has never really been the criteria for any of this. In other words, merit is far too nebulous a concept for a true "meritocracy" to ever exist.

RangerScience 4y ago
Although I completely agree with you... ...I'm not seeing anything on the readily available info indicating a gender either way.
- Kwpolska 4y ago
  https://github.com/JessicaTegner/pypandoc/commit/4becb4e6734036e7eee92d180ea8e7acc7333e6f https://github.com/JessicaTegner/pypandoc/commit/4becb4e6734...
  - RangerScience 4y ago
    a) thank you! (and I say this with an intention towards satire) b) why the hell was finding that worth your time
    - Shekelphile 4y ago
      > b) why the hell was finding that worth your time Generally the only reason people dig up a trans person's deadname is for harassment or discrimination.
  - fidonj 4y ago
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systemvoltage 4y ago
Completely disagree. The wokeness from these corporations, the DEI culture, the dividing contemptuous nature of this ideology needs to be openly and fiercely criticized. It’s destroying the very fabric of America. The fact that we are not allowed to do that on HN speaks for its ideological and dangerous grip on free thinking. The chilling effect is real.
- Shekelphile 4y ago
  Treating a trans developer as no different from a cishet developer is not 'wokeness'.
  - ignoramceisblis 4y ago
    I think it's pretty clear from the parent commenters that they believe the developer /is/ being treated differently--with a bias/preference given that the developer is supposedly trans.
    - Shekelphile 4y ago
      No, they don't. They insinuate that because it's a conveinient dogwhistle - the claim is always the same whenever a non cishet/white person attains any level of success.
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      - ignoramceisblis 4y ago
        "Insinuate" what? "Dogwhistle"? Maybe I was being too equivocal. The parent commenters /do/ believe the developer is receiving preferential treatment based on one aspect of their declared identity. And it's not hard to share their sentiment: what warrants a thin Python wrapper library, which does not really bring new capabilities itself, receiving $20k when there are many other projects which could make an even bigger impact with that money? It seems unusual to me. Especially when considering they were choosing from a pool at GitHub scale, which is about as diverse as it gets in the open source software community. I don't share the belief that "non cishet/white" people are unduly denigrated when they achieve success--not more than any other person on average, anyway. In fact, I see quite the opposite: there's tremendous amounts of pride when "non cishet/white" people achieve success.
ignoramceisblis 4y ago
When decisions are made specifically based on superficial characteristics like skin color and sex, you shouldn't be surprised when people wonder if decisions are/were made specifically based on superficial characteristics like skin color and sex. eg. on Biden: https://news.yahoo.com/the-inside-story-of-how-biden-promised-to-appoint-a-black-woman-to-the-supreme-court-192146779.html https://news.yahoo.com/the-inside-story-of-how-biden-promise... The promise of the superficial characteristics came first. Then a solution (a candidate, in this case) was chosen from a limited solution set When people do things like this, they make it clear they don't want optimal outcomes, with regards to performance and the like. They make it clear that other, superficial, characteristics carry greater weight. This hurts any functioning society, certainly in the long-term. However, some people want that--for some societies.
- jjeaff 4y ago
  Regardless of any "superficial" characteristic (I think many would argue that being Black in America in anything but superficial) what exactly do you think an optimal outcome is when selecting something like a judge? What is a high "performance" judge? Because even though for the first few hundred years of our nation's history, we selected judges only from a very large group of old, white, catholic/protestant men, we sure have come up with plenty of incompetence and corruption. Should we hire judges based solely on their LSAT score? Or perhaps only judges from the most ivy league, selective law schools? Or maybe we should select for judges who can recite the law by memory? Judges need to represent the people that they stand in judgement of. You want people that know what it is like to grow up poor or to grow up under racism or whatever. And Black women are severely underrepresented in the federal judiciary. Of course, any person selected as a judge needs to meet a minimum level of competence (something that has usually been the case up until at least a few selections from the last administration). Regardless, the solution set of Black female attorneys and judges is plenty large to be able to find fully qualified candidates for many, many federal appointments.
draw_down 4y ago
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fidonj 4y ago
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by jjeaff 4y ago

RangerScience 4y ago

Although I completely agree with you... ...I'm not seeing anything on the readily available info indicating a gender either way.

Kwpolska 4y ago
https://github.com/JessicaTegner/pypandoc/commit/4becb4e6734036e7eee92d180ea8e7acc7333e6f https://github.com/JessicaTegner/pypandoc/commit/4becb4e6734...
- RangerScience 4y ago
  a) thank you! (and I say this with an intention towards satire) b) why the hell was finding that worth your time
  - Shekelphile 4y ago
    > b) why the hell was finding that worth your time Generally the only reason people dig up a trans person's deadname is for harassment or discrimination.
- fidonj 4y ago
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systemvoltage 4y ago

Completely disagree. The wokeness from these corporations, the DEI culture, the dividing contemptuous nature of this ideology needs to be openly and fiercely criticized. It’s destroying the very fabric of America. The fact that we are not allowed to do that on HN speaks for its ideological and dangerous grip on free thinking. The chilling effect is real.

Shekelphile 4y ago
Treating a trans developer as no different from a cishet developer is not 'wokeness'.
- ignoramceisblis 4y ago
  I think it's pretty clear from the parent commenters that they believe the developer /is/ being treated differently--with a bias/preference given that the developer is supposedly trans.
  - Shekelphile 4y ago
    No, they don't. They insinuate that because it's a conveinient dogwhistle - the claim is always the same whenever a non cishet/white person attains any level of success.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - ignoramceisblis 4y ago
      "Insinuate" what? "Dogwhistle"? Maybe I was being too equivocal. The parent commenters /do/ believe the developer is receiving preferential treatment based on one aspect of their declared identity. And it's not hard to share their sentiment: what warrants a thin Python wrapper library, which does not really bring new capabilities itself, receiving $20k when there are many other projects which could make an even bigger impact with that money? It seems unusual to me. Especially when considering they were choosing from a pool at GitHub scale, which is about as diverse as it gets in the open source software community. I don't share the belief that "non cishet/white" people are unduly denigrated when they achieve success--not more than any other person on average, anyway. In fact, I see quite the opposite: there's tremendous amounts of pride when "non cishet/white" people achieve success.

ignoramceisblis 4y ago

When decisions are made specifically based on superficial characteristics like skin color and sex, you shouldn't be surprised when people wonder if decisions are/were made specifically based on superficial characteristics like skin color and sex. eg. on Biden: https://news.yahoo.com/the-inside-story-of-how-biden-promised-to-appoint-a-black-woman-to-the-supreme-court-192146779.html https://news.yahoo.com/the-inside-story-of-how-biden-promise... The promise of the superficial characteristics came first. Then a solution (a candidate, in this case) was chosen from a limited solution set When people do things like this, they make it clear they don't want optimal outcomes, with regards to performance and the like. They make it clear that other, superficial, characteristics carry greater weight. This hurts any functioning society, certainly in the long-term. However, some people want that--for some societies.

jjeaff 4y ago
Regardless of any "superficial" characteristic (I think many would argue that being Black in America in anything but superficial) what exactly do you think an optimal outcome is when selecting something like a judge? What is a high "performance" judge? Because even though for the first few hundred years of our nation's history, we selected judges only from a very large group of old, white, catholic/protestant men, we sure have come up with plenty of incompetence and corruption. Should we hire judges based solely on their LSAT score? Or perhaps only judges from the most ivy league, selective law schools? Or maybe we should select for judges who can recite the law by memory? Judges need to represent the people that they stand in judgement of. You want people that know what it is like to grow up poor or to grow up under racism or whatever. And Black women are severely underrepresented in the federal judiciary. Of course, any person selected as a judge needs to meet a minimum level of competence (something that has usually been the case up until at least a few selections from the last administration). Regardless, the solution set of Black female attorneys and judges is plenty large to be able to find fully qualified candidates for many, many federal appointments.

draw_down 4y ago

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fidonj 4y ago

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