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Yes and they rushed to cast this tragedy as part of an imagined crime epidemic. There are some good contributors to the Chronicle, but they skew fairly conserv

Yes and they rushed to cast this tragedy as part of an imagined crime epidemic. There are some good contributors to the Chronicle, but they skew fairly conservative for SF and have for a long time.

wand3r 3y ago
> Imagined crime epidemic Is the SF/Bay Area really having an "imagined" crime epidemic? Serious question. Seems the crime rate is very high
- fdr 3y ago
  Property crime has been high for decades. Violent crime moves here and there, but is somewhat unremarkable for an American city.
  - throwntoday 3y ago
    Things are worse than ever and reading comments like this that dismiss it genuinely confuses me. So because other cities have similar or worse crime rates, we should just accept it? Urban decay is happening all across this country and it needs to be addressed aggressively before you or someone you know gets stabbed to death.
    - not2b 3y ago
      American cities almost all have far lower crime these days than they did decades ago, and SF has a significantly lower murder rate than many cities. https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/us/san-francisco-crime-bob-lee-killing/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/us/san-francisco-crime-bob-le...
    - WesternWind 3y ago
      Things are not worse than ever. Things are slightly worse after the pandemic, but nowhere as bad as the 70's. Feel free to check the statistics. Anyway I agree we need to get aggressive, but a lot of folks thinks that means more cops. We spend a hell of a lot on police, but police don't address the root causes of most crimes. We need to aggressively invest in urban areas with new housing, job opportunities, drug treatment, gang disruption, violence interruption, mental health care, and other meaningful interventions in the cycles and circumstances that lead people to commit crime.
    - fdr 3y ago
      It's harder to depart from the median situation in a large geographical region one way or another. All else equal (which is never the case, consult a real criminologist), San Francisco probably can do more about its property crime than violent crime, under the very general principle of regression to the mean.

Yes and they rushed to cast this tragedy as part of an imagined crime epidemic. There are some good contributors to the Chronicle, but they skew fairly conservative for SF and have for a long time.

wand3r 3y ago

> Imagined crime epidemic Is the SF/Bay Area really having an "imagined" crime epidemic? Serious question. Seems the crime rate is very high

fdr 3y ago
Property crime has been high for decades. Violent crime moves here and there, but is somewhat unremarkable for an American city.
- throwntoday 3y ago
  Things are worse than ever and reading comments like this that dismiss it genuinely confuses me. So because other cities have similar or worse crime rates, we should just accept it? Urban decay is happening all across this country and it needs to be addressed aggressively before you or someone you know gets stabbed to death.
  - not2b 3y ago
    American cities almost all have far lower crime these days than they did decades ago, and SF has a significantly lower murder rate than many cities. https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/us/san-francisco-crime-bob-lee-killing/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/us/san-francisco-crime-bob-le...
  - WesternWind 3y ago
    Things are not worse than ever. Things are slightly worse after the pandemic, but nowhere as bad as the 70's. Feel free to check the statistics. Anyway I agree we need to get aggressive, but a lot of folks thinks that means more cops. We spend a hell of a lot on police, but police don't address the root causes of most crimes. We need to aggressively invest in urban areas with new housing, job opportunities, drug treatment, gang disruption, violence interruption, mental health care, and other meaningful interventions in the cycles and circumstances that lead people to commit crime.
  - fdr 3y ago
    It's harder to depart from the median situation in a large geographical region one way or another. All else equal (which is never the case, consult a real criminologist), San Francisco probably can do more about its property crime than violent crime, under the very general principle of regression to the mean.