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I am not sure it is as simple as her friend's flagging it as inappropriate. If someone was that offended by her posting breastfeeding pictures, they could just

by tnicola 15y ago

I am not sure it is as simple as her friend's flagging it as inappropriate. If someone was that offended by her posting breastfeeding pictures, they could just hide her newsfeed or unsubscribe from her. I am a breastfeeding mother who lives in Vancouver and to be completely honest with you, while I do breastfeed in public without any consideration for people around me (passport office, liquor store, park bench etc.) and do not cover myself up, I do feel that some women in my community take it too far to prove a point. Someone has either told them something and they are lashing out or they are simply trying to do something for the cause. The article doesn't tell us what was the privacy level of her photos. I wonder if they were public and have been taken down for that reason. If Facebook, however, is in the business of taking down private photos, then anyone posting a picture of their child could be seen as a child pornography, couldn't it? And that is not even legal. Methinks that there is more to this story. Something is not adding up.

omonra 15y ago
May I ask why you find it ok to not have "any consideration for people around" you? I want to make it clear that I really want to understand how you think (ie not trolling). Why do you not insist on performing other bodily functions in public?
- mrj 15y ago
  Come on, baby gets hungry. Baby wants to be fed, now. Mom feeds baby. This happens all day and all hours of the day. You cannot seriously expect that all breastfeeding mothers will be hidden away for 30m to an hour every 2 hours simply because somebody might see a booby.
  - dsl 15y ago
    If you have a dog, clean up its crap. If you drive a car, don't cut people off or take up two parking stalls. If you have a kid, don't flop your saggy tits out in public. If you love blasting your music at insane volumes, don't move into an apartment with thin walls. Jesus christ people, it all basically boils down to respecting the people around you. If you can't handle the consequences of breeding, you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.
    - tgrass 15y ago
      You realize you are the consequence of breeding and it is highly probable based on the outcome that when you were hungry, you were fed?
    - rsanders 15y ago
      How is it disrespectful to breastfeed one's child in public? You and others seem to be assuming that's just self-evidently true, but I don't know why that would be. People say things I consider delusional, ignorant, or offensive all the time. I respect their right to do so, and I don't believe they should "respect" me by keeping their mouths shut. Case in point above.
    - tnicola 15y ago
      If you have a brain, don't act like an idiot.
  - omonra 15y ago
    Of course not - I am talking about covering up the naked breast. Why can Asian women do it?
    - lucisferre 15y ago
      What's your big deal about a naked breast? Besides how can you honestly see anything more than you do on TV with a kid's head in the way? Also what's special about Asians, are you making a generalization or something? All Asians cover up, only white people expose themselves? Exactly, what value does that bring to this conversation?
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    - tnicola 15y ago
      Asian women may choose to do it. I don't. At any rate, it is a choice of a mother. Not yours. So, I respoectfully request that you get over it, or look the other way. Cause it is not going away.
- lucisferre 15y ago
  Looks like trolling from where I'm standing, so I'll bite. Why should someone have consideration for other people when doing something that no reasonable person should find offensive? Some people find it offensive that you (or perhaps your sister, wife, mother) leave the house with their head uncovered (unless of course that is what they happen to do). Should all of western society cater to this, because some people feel they should? As for insisting on performing other bodily functions it is because a) for those things it is a legitimate public health issue and b) babies are not controlled like an adults bowels. For that matter neither are babies bowels and it's perfectly normal to change your baby say in a public park (though one would hope you don't regularly post that to facebook). Honestly this whole thing is overblown, and as unimportant as topless sunbathing, or nudity on television. In fact I'd go so far as to suggest this sounds like a bit of an American problem. But as far as my opinion on the subject of breastfeeding goes, I'll just say this. As a man, the only opinion I or any other man really needs to have about this is that we don't need to have an opinion about it. Move along, nothing to see here.
  - dfxm12 15y ago
    Why should someone have consideration for other people when doing something that no reasonable person should find offensive? Society (in the US) is geared to see nudity as taboo or shameful. This is hammered home in media, law and our general Christian history. You can call it an American problem, but that's just a cop out because with a wide world of users, you'll never be able to lump all of us as having common culture (including laws and morals). This is also something which may or may not be legal for various reasons (depending on jurisdiction). Add to this that flagging of content in Facebook is crowd sourced. I think a reasonable person would be able to understand why these images are being flagged as offensive and being removed.
    - lucisferre 15y ago
      You quote a statement I made in direct response to the grandparent's specific implication that the g-gparent should have consideration for what she is doing out in public and instead argue about whether or not images should be allowed of Facebook. I think I made it pretty clear why she doesn't need to. Strawman? For the record, I'm happy to let Facebook decide to do whatever they feel is in their best interest. I don't know any laws in the US that prohibit breastfeeding in public, I do however know a number of states have made it explicitly legal specifically to ensure ignorance like this doesn't get the best of people. http://www.breastfeedinglounge.com/breast-feeding-in-public-info-on-state-laws/ http://www.breastfeedinglounge.com/breast-feeding-in-public-... I'm also not aware of anywhere it states that it is illegal to make your breastfeeding pictures available online. It seems clear that no charges have been laid in this story. If you would like to demonstrate otherwise feel free to post reference instead of just waving your hands. Also feel free to show where it states that Facebook must be responsible for enforcing it. Sure it is possible that whether or not someone is showing a nipple changing things, but as I said that is largely an American problem. If you want to have that problem, then good for you. In the end, this is simply about whether or not Facebook is doing what's best for their bottom line, and I'm honestly perfectly OK with that. As I stated I wasn't directly commenting on this Facebook issue in the first place, and I intend to steer clear of this (clearly male dominated) "is breastfeeding OK on the internet" debate as I can. As far as Facebook and their bottom line goes, my gut tells me Facebook is being obtuse. No, I don't think many (if any) people will quit Facebook over having a few friends that post breastfeeding pictures (they might unfriend them at worst). I do think that some more outspoken women's rights advocates may quit Facebook, certainly they will try to raise enough of a stink and bad publicity to negatively affect Facebook. I really can't think of why Facebook wants to choose this pointless battle, but I believe it is a poor choice.
- rsanders 15y ago
  You're focusing on the wrong person in the situation, and maybe that's part of the problem. It's not about the mother performing a bodily function; it's about feeding a very dependent and undisciplined proto-human. Neither their minds nor their metabolisms understand waiting. As for the mothers in question...the sensibilities of strangers is such an inconsequential concern compared to the well-being of one's child that you might as well ask why she thinks it's okay to drink a glass of water without any consideration for the fate of the millions of living organisms within. When our baby cries, my wife goes into some kind of panic-driven berserker state until he's mollified. I barely matter to her at that point. So that's the why. As to the where...you can't simply go into house arrest when you have a baby that you have to feed every 2-3 hours. In my opinion, a lot of people eat far more obscenely than any combination of baby+breast, but open-mouth chewers are allowed to perform their horrible bodily functions in full view of the innocent public even though they could be considerate and eat in the privacy of their homes. Imagine you're a mother (assuming you aren't). Why should you be treated like a second class citizen when you're literally creating the next generation of people from the substance of your own body? No mother I know feels that what she's doing is obscene or anything less than wonderful, and I personally doubt the mental health of anybody who does.

by tnicola 15y ago

omonra 15y ago

May I ask why you find it ok to not have "any consideration for people around" you? I want to make it clear that I really want to understand how you think (ie not trolling). Why do you not insist on performing other bodily functions in public?

mrj 15y ago
Come on, baby gets hungry. Baby wants to be fed, now. Mom feeds baby. This happens all day and all hours of the day. You cannot seriously expect that all breastfeeding mothers will be hidden away for 30m to an hour every 2 hours simply because somebody might see a booby.
- dsl 15y ago
  If you have a dog, clean up its crap. If you drive a car, don't cut people off or take up two parking stalls. If you have a kid, don't flop your saggy tits out in public. If you love blasting your music at insane volumes, don't move into an apartment with thin walls. Jesus christ people, it all basically boils down to respecting the people around you. If you can't handle the consequences of breeding, you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.
  - tgrass 15y ago
    You realize you are the consequence of breeding and it is highly probable based on the outcome that when you were hungry, you were fed?
  - rsanders 15y ago
    How is it disrespectful to breastfeed one's child in public? You and others seem to be assuming that's just self-evidently true, but I don't know why that would be. People say things I consider delusional, ignorant, or offensive all the time. I respect their right to do so, and I don't believe they should "respect" me by keeping their mouths shut. Case in point above.
  - tnicola 15y ago
    If you have a brain, don't act like an idiot.
- omonra 15y ago
  Of course not - I am talking about covering up the naked breast. Why can Asian women do it?
  - lucisferre 15y ago
    What's your big deal about a naked breast? Besides how can you honestly see anything more than you do on TV with a kid's head in the way? Also what's special about Asians, are you making a generalization or something? All Asians cover up, only white people expose themselves? Exactly, what value does that bring to this conversation?
  - deleted 15y ago
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  - tnicola 15y ago
    Asian women may choose to do it. I don't. At any rate, it is a choice of a mother. Not yours. So, I respoectfully request that you get over it, or look the other way. Cause it is not going away.
lucisferre 15y ago
Looks like trolling from where I'm standing, so I'll bite. Why should someone have consideration for other people when doing something that no reasonable person should find offensive? Some people find it offensive that you (or perhaps your sister, wife, mother) leave the house with their head uncovered (unless of course that is what they happen to do). Should all of western society cater to this, because some people feel they should? As for insisting on performing other bodily functions it is because a) for those things it is a legitimate public health issue and b) babies are not controlled like an adults bowels. For that matter neither are babies bowels and it's perfectly normal to change your baby say in a public park (though one would hope you don't regularly post that to facebook). Honestly this whole thing is overblown, and as unimportant as topless sunbathing, or nudity on television. In fact I'd go so far as to suggest this sounds like a bit of an American problem. But as far as my opinion on the subject of breastfeeding goes, I'll just say this. As a man, the only opinion I or any other man really needs to have about this is that we don't need to have an opinion about it. Move along, nothing to see here.
- dfxm12 15y ago
  Why should someone have consideration for other people when doing something that no reasonable person should find offensive? Society (in the US) is geared to see nudity as taboo or shameful. This is hammered home in media, law and our general Christian history. You can call it an American problem, but that's just a cop out because with a wide world of users, you'll never be able to lump all of us as having common culture (including laws and morals). This is also something which may or may not be legal for various reasons (depending on jurisdiction). Add to this that flagging of content in Facebook is crowd sourced. I think a reasonable person would be able to understand why these images are being flagged as offensive and being removed.
  - lucisferre 15y ago
    You quote a statement I made in direct response to the grandparent's specific implication that the g-gparent should have consideration for what she is doing out in public and instead argue about whether or not images should be allowed of Facebook. I think I made it pretty clear why she doesn't need to. Strawman? For the record, I'm happy to let Facebook decide to do whatever they feel is in their best interest. I don't know any laws in the US that prohibit breastfeeding in public, I do however know a number of states have made it explicitly legal specifically to ensure ignorance like this doesn't get the best of people. http://www.breastfeedinglounge.com/breast-feeding-in-public-info-on-state-laws/ http://www.breastfeedinglounge.com/breast-feeding-in-public-... I'm also not aware of anywhere it states that it is illegal to make your breastfeeding pictures available online. It seems clear that no charges have been laid in this story. If you would like to demonstrate otherwise feel free to post reference instead of just waving your hands. Also feel free to show where it states that Facebook must be responsible for enforcing it. Sure it is possible that whether or not someone is showing a nipple changing things, but as I said that is largely an American problem. If you want to have that problem, then good for you. In the end, this is simply about whether or not Facebook is doing what's best for their bottom line, and I'm honestly perfectly OK with that. As I stated I wasn't directly commenting on this Facebook issue in the first place, and I intend to steer clear of this (clearly male dominated) "is breastfeeding OK on the internet" debate as I can. As far as Facebook and their bottom line goes, my gut tells me Facebook is being obtuse. No, I don't think many (if any) people will quit Facebook over having a few friends that post breastfeeding pictures (they might unfriend them at worst). I do think that some more outspoken women's rights advocates may quit Facebook, certainly they will try to raise enough of a stink and bad publicity to negatively affect Facebook. I really can't think of why Facebook wants to choose this pointless battle, but I believe it is a poor choice.
rsanders 15y ago
You're focusing on the wrong person in the situation, and maybe that's part of the problem. It's not about the mother performing a bodily function; it's about feeding a very dependent and undisciplined proto-human. Neither their minds nor their metabolisms understand waiting. As for the mothers in question...the sensibilities of strangers is such an inconsequential concern compared to the well-being of one's child that you might as well ask why she thinks it's okay to drink a glass of water without any consideration for the fate of the millions of living organisms within. When our baby cries, my wife goes into some kind of panic-driven berserker state until he's mollified. I barely matter to her at that point. So that's the why. As to the where...you can't simply go into house arrest when you have a baby that you have to feed every 2-3 hours. In my opinion, a lot of people eat far more obscenely than any combination of baby+breast, but open-mouth chewers are allowed to perform their horrible bodily functions in full view of the innocent public even though they could be considerate and eat in the privacy of their homes. Imagine you're a mother (assuming you aren't). Why should you be treated like a second class citizen when you're literally creating the next generation of people from the substance of your own body? No mother I know feels that what she's doing is obscene or anything less than wonderful, and I personally doubt the mental health of anybody who does.