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About the AI art aspect, having just experienced this week what's probably the greatest hour of TV ever filmed until now, certainly on a personal level, in Succ

About the AI art aspect, having just experienced this week what's probably the greatest hour of TV ever filmed until now, certainly on a personal level, in Succession's episode 3, season 4, I am fairly certain AI tools without agency will never be able to achieve such levels because art is fundamentally about humans, the manner of depiction is secondary: art has been impressive from Lascaux to Giotto to Stable Diffusion, the point however is the transference of feelings, from the artist to the viewer, and for transference to be achieved the artist must have feelings to begin with. This is not to say that great artists of the future won't use AI tools for shaping their vision. And if AI goes beyond being a mere transformer of input and starts having agency, well, we're not there yet at least.

bodhi_mind 4y ago
> artist must have feelings to begin with This is an interesting concept since researchers really aren’t sure how consciousness in humans and animals even happens. We just don’t know. Feelings could be theoretically be possible in artificial intelligence. We really don’t know enough about the subject to say either way.
- ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
  Sure, "feeling" is rather ineffable and plenty of ink and bits have flown trying to fixate it. Taking it down a notch, you can probably put it as a very strong dichotomy like-dislike. I know my dog has some proto-feelings because he really likes belly rubs and he really dislikes pulling his tail. Nevertheless, there is probably something akin to the Weber–Fechner law [1] through which "feelings" will be disambiguated. And when that happens, we might discover it was us who have been artificial from the start: biochemistry being merely ridiculously advanced technology, indistinguishable from magic as the saying goes, by comparison with our rusty transistors. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber%E2%80%93Fechner_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber%E2%80%93Fechner_law

bodhi_mind 4y ago

> artist must have feelings to begin with This is an interesting concept since researchers really aren’t sure how consciousness in humans and animals even happens. We just don’t know. Feelings could be theoretically be possible in artificial intelligence. We really don’t know enough about the subject to say either way.

ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
Sure, "feeling" is rather ineffable and plenty of ink and bits have flown trying to fixate it. Taking it down a notch, you can probably put it as a very strong dichotomy like-dislike. I know my dog has some proto-feelings because he really likes belly rubs and he really dislikes pulling his tail. Nevertheless, there is probably something akin to the Weber–Fechner law [1] through which "feelings" will be disambiguated. And when that happens, we might discover it was us who have been artificial from the start: biochemistry being merely ridiculously advanced technology, indistinguishable from magic as the saying goes, by comparison with our rusty transistors. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber%E2%80%93Fechner_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber%E2%80%93Fechner_law