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Two examples: - Creating cover letters if given decent parameters - Asking for customized fashion, makeup, or self-presentation advice It's not great at answ

by Mezzie 4y ago

Two examples: - Creating cover letters if given decent parameters - Asking for customized fashion, makeup, or self-presentation advice It's not great at answering questions that are rooted in fact unless you are very specific and willing to break the question/task into much smaller chunks. It shines when it comes to essentially aggregating public opinion.

andrepd 4y ago
My point exactly. See OP, I was asking specifically for well-defined tasks. Fashion advice is both (1) not well defined and (2) googlable in 10s and you'll get the same generic blogspam that ChatGPT gives you :p
- Mezzie 4y ago
  It's not well defined to YOU. I was considering: "Recommend a dress style, color, and fabric composition for a female that is five foot 10 with a long torso and a pear shape. She has red hair and grey eyes and pale undertones. The dress should be acceptable to a conservative, religious audience without being too formal. The woman wearing the dress is 45 years old and would like to emphasize her waist but downplay her butt. She has access to shapewear but does not own a strapless bra. The event will be outside in July in Alabama." You can't Google that in 10 seconds. Just because you don't know the variables that make a question complex doesn't mean it isn't. So basically "Tell me a math or logic problem ChatGPT can solve." 'Non trivial' is a value judgement.
  - andrepd 4y ago
    Thanks for clarifying, that is a more substantial query but it's still open-ended, so it's impossible in practice to judge the quality of the answer in an objective way. I simply defined what I meant, no value judgement.
    - Mezzie 4y ago
      I'm saying the value judgement is baked into the question/phrasing. Even if you're using a technical definition of 'non-trivial', the establishment of that phrase in a particular discipline also involved a value judgement. There are objective ways to evaluate the answer just as there are for code. And just like with code, there are multiple answers that will 'work' as well as several failure modes. A nice A-line dress in linen would be acceptable, a bodycon dress made of polyester would not be. Failure modes: - Recommending anything 'too' modest - there are different types of modesty: Mormon modesty is not Islamic modesty is not Evangelical modesty. Given that these groups don't get along, being able to extrapolate that 'Alabama + conservative' means the most likely audience is evangelical or non-denom. Christian is important. If I asked it about an event in Dearborn, it should recommend me something that meets conservative American Islamic modesty standards, and if I asked it about an event in Amman, Jordan it should give me something that would meet Middle Eastern conservative modesty standards - e.g. a dress that would work with a hijab. - Recommending anything made out of a fabric that doesn't breathe. The suggestions should involve natural fabrics like cotton or linen ("outside in July in Alabama"). Likewise, if it recommended something black that's not going to work; it should be recommending light colors that would work on someone of the given coloring (likely pastels or whites). - Recommending anything that is super 'on trend' - shows that it's giving too much weight to cutting edge fashion trends and not how fashion intersects with age: most 45 year old women do not want to dress like 19 year olds. - Recommending anything with an empire waist - those are designed to skim over the natural waist and thusly while such a garment would minimize the hips as directed, it would not emphasize the waist. There are definitely 'right' and 'wrong' answers even if throw out the aesthetic parts of the question: The weather and social setting absolutely can produce 'wrong' answers. So can some of the body type questions (e.g. as somebody with a long torso myself, any recommendation for a body suit or 1 piece outfit [jumpsuit, swimsuit, etc.] in any context is going to be 'wrong' because long torso + 1 piece outfit = wedgie city.) That's factual. Likewise, it's factual which fabrics are suited for different weather.

by Mezzie 4y ago

andrepd 4y ago

My point exactly. See OP, I was asking specifically for well-defined tasks. Fashion advice is both (1) not well defined and (2) googlable in 10s and you'll get the same generic blogspam that ChatGPT gives you :p

Mezzie 4y ago
It's not well defined to YOU. I was considering: "Recommend a dress style, color, and fabric composition for a female that is five foot 10 with a long torso and a pear shape. She has red hair and grey eyes and pale undertones. The dress should be acceptable to a conservative, religious audience without being too formal. The woman wearing the dress is 45 years old and would like to emphasize her waist but downplay her butt. She has access to shapewear but does not own a strapless bra. The event will be outside in July in Alabama." You can't Google that in 10 seconds. Just because you don't know the variables that make a question complex doesn't mean it isn't. So basically "Tell me a math or logic problem ChatGPT can solve." 'Non trivial' is a value judgement.
- andrepd 4y ago
  Thanks for clarifying, that is a more substantial query but it's still open-ended, so it's impossible in practice to judge the quality of the answer in an objective way. I simply defined what I meant, no value judgement.
  - Mezzie 4y ago
    I'm saying the value judgement is baked into the question/phrasing. Even if you're using a technical definition of 'non-trivial', the establishment of that phrase in a particular discipline also involved a value judgement. There are objective ways to evaluate the answer just as there are for code. And just like with code, there are multiple answers that will 'work' as well as several failure modes. A nice A-line dress in linen would be acceptable, a bodycon dress made of polyester would not be. Failure modes: - Recommending anything 'too' modest - there are different types of modesty: Mormon modesty is not Islamic modesty is not Evangelical modesty. Given that these groups don't get along, being able to extrapolate that 'Alabama + conservative' means the most likely audience is evangelical or non-denom. Christian is important. If I asked it about an event in Dearborn, it should recommend me something that meets conservative American Islamic modesty standards, and if I asked it about an event in Amman, Jordan it should give me something that would meet Middle Eastern conservative modesty standards - e.g. a dress that would work with a hijab. - Recommending anything made out of a fabric that doesn't breathe. The suggestions should involve natural fabrics like cotton or linen ("outside in July in Alabama"). Likewise, if it recommended something black that's not going to work; it should be recommending light colors that would work on someone of the given coloring (likely pastels or whites). - Recommending anything that is super 'on trend' - shows that it's giving too much weight to cutting edge fashion trends and not how fashion intersects with age: most 45 year old women do not want to dress like 19 year olds. - Recommending anything with an empire waist - those are designed to skim over the natural waist and thusly while such a garment would minimize the hips as directed, it would not emphasize the waist. There are definitely 'right' and 'wrong' answers even if throw out the aesthetic parts of the question: The weather and social setting absolutely can produce 'wrong' answers. So can some of the body type questions (e.g. as somebody with a long torso myself, any recommendation for a body suit or 1 piece outfit [jumpsuit, swimsuit, etc.] in any context is going to be 'wrong' because long torso + 1 piece outfit = wedgie city.) That's factual. Likewise, it's factual which fabrics are suited for different weather.