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My concern is stagnation. Everything about AI currently is derivative, by definition. Arguably much human endeavour is derivative also, but some is not. Why cre

My concern is stagnation. Everything about AI currently is derivative, by definition. Arguably much human endeavour is derivative also, but some is not. Why create something original for it to be sucked up by AI?

version_five 4y ago
Look at music. There was a fleeting moment between the invention of recording and Napster where distributors could rent seek by controlling how recordings are used. The creative music industry has not suffered at all now that copying and sharing is free, and people still make stuff. Why would it be different for "AI" scraping content for training data? Some people may lose out but it won't be creators.
- fullshark 4y ago
  Music as a medium seems to be pretty stagnant to me, the major technological innovations re: music have enabled hobbyists to distribute their music across the planet, but by and large the artform itself hasn't seemingly changed much in 20 years even with the invention of all these music creation tools, it's now just a lot easier to make a song sound good.
  - wvenable 4y ago
    I think we have essentially perfected music. We can generate any kind of sound and we can record it and play it back at will. As you said, the tools to do this are now available to everyone. The physics and the psychology of music processing, interpretation, and enjoyment are well known. I think there still is evolution happening in music but there will be no more revolutions.
  - always2slow 4y ago
    People in music are doing things that weren't even possible 20 years ago. Just off the top of my head: Live in-game concerts, twitch collaborations, music "meme-ing" with youtube and tiktok. A musician can push a button and broadcast a live performance to the world now, and with a few more button pushes incorporate other artists or their works.
    - fullshark 4y ago
      Those appear to be marketing innovations to me, but I don't understand everything you listed. I claim the music itself as a medium is stagnant. I.e. the art form hasn't really changed.
wvenable 4y ago
I think that's a valid concern. I have a friend who's very bullish on ChatGPT and has encouraged me to use it more for programming tasks. I was working on parsing binary data stored as sound in a WAV file and ChatGPT4 could not figure out the task despite having a detailed description of the problem and input and output examples. However, it did a good job of just parsing the WAV file format so I could concentrate on the rest. In the end it generated probably 70% of the code and I did the remaining 30%. But that 70% was relatively uninteresting to the task; the remaining 30% was the interesting part.

version_five 4y ago

Look at music. There was a fleeting moment between the invention of recording and Napster where distributors could rent seek by controlling how recordings are used. The creative music industry has not suffered at all now that copying and sharing is free, and people still make stuff. Why would it be different for "AI" scraping content for training data? Some people may lose out but it won't be creators.

fullshark 4y ago
Music as a medium seems to be pretty stagnant to me, the major technological innovations re: music have enabled hobbyists to distribute their music across the planet, but by and large the artform itself hasn't seemingly changed much in 20 years even with the invention of all these music creation tools, it's now just a lot easier to make a song sound good.
- wvenable 4y ago
  I think we have essentially perfected music. We can generate any kind of sound and we can record it and play it back at will. As you said, the tools to do this are now available to everyone. The physics and the psychology of music processing, interpretation, and enjoyment are well known. I think there still is evolution happening in music but there will be no more revolutions.
- always2slow 4y ago
  People in music are doing things that weren't even possible 20 years ago. Just off the top of my head: Live in-game concerts, twitch collaborations, music "meme-ing" with youtube and tiktok. A musician can push a button and broadcast a live performance to the world now, and with a few more button pushes incorporate other artists or their works.
  - fullshark 4y ago
    Those appear to be marketing innovations to me, but I don't understand everything you listed. I claim the music itself as a medium is stagnant. I.e. the art form hasn't really changed.

wvenable 4y ago

I think that's a valid concern. I have a friend who's very bullish on ChatGPT and has encouraged me to use it more for programming tasks. I was working on parsing binary data stored as sound in a WAV file and ChatGPT4 could not figure out the task despite having a detailed description of the problem and input and output examples. However, it did a good job of just parsing the WAV file format so I could concentrate on the rest. In the end it generated probably 70% of the code and I did the remaining 30%. But that 70% was relatively uninteresting to the task; the remaining 30% was the interesting part.