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NVIDIA open sourcing lots of non-graphic driver codebases doesn't excuse them from open-sourcing their graphic drivers. It's simple really.

kkielhofner 4y ago
I'm not saying it does. Your comment is exactly what I'm talking about "Nvidia has millions of lines of open source" "Yeah but their driver though - they hate open source and I hate them". It's not that simple.
- nazgulsenpai 4y ago
  I never said they hate open source or that I hate them. I just don't care how much open source they do if the the driver for only product that matters to me isn't open source. Their competitors' drivers are so it makes my decision easy. I'm not sure why it would bother anyone else that I find their lack of open source graphic drivers problematic.
  - paulmd 4y ago
    AMDGPU-pro is closed and there's a lot of features like raytracing that don't work on the open version at all. HDMI 2.1 doesn't work on either open or closed versions afaik (there is a long-running ticket complaining about it). And they also still have blobs too despite all that. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/1417 https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/1417 https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/amdgpu https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/lin... Nobody's drivers are totally open, if you use HDMI then you aren't allowed to be fully open because HDMI Forum won't let you, that's the brightline. You have to have some blobs to deal with them and similar ultimatums from other vendors. If you are ok with something working, as long as it's open, and major features being broken doesn't bother you... might I suggest nouveau? AFAIK NVIDIA has even started addressing the reclocking issue on the newer gens.
    - nazgulsenpai 4y ago
      I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make here. I didn't suggest the entire stack has to be open source, nor am I looking for a reason to use NVIDIA on Linux. I just think it would be great if NVIDIA open sourced whatever portions of their graphics driver to make the Mesa implementation competitive.
the8472 4y ago
They did[0], for GPU models where they moved all the proprietary parts into the firmware. [0] https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules#user-content-compatible-gpus https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules#user-conte...

kkielhofner 4y ago

I'm not saying it does. Your comment is exactly what I'm talking about "Nvidia has millions of lines of open source" "Yeah but their driver though - they hate open source and I hate them". It's not that simple.

nazgulsenpai 4y ago
I never said they hate open source or that I hate them. I just don't care how much open source they do if the the driver for only product that matters to me isn't open source. Their competitors' drivers are so it makes my decision easy. I'm not sure why it would bother anyone else that I find their lack of open source graphic drivers problematic.
- paulmd 4y ago
  AMDGPU-pro is closed and there's a lot of features like raytracing that don't work on the open version at all. HDMI 2.1 doesn't work on either open or closed versions afaik (there is a long-running ticket complaining about it). And they also still have blobs too despite all that. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/1417 https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/1417 https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/amdgpu https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/lin... Nobody's drivers are totally open, if you use HDMI then you aren't allowed to be fully open because HDMI Forum won't let you, that's the brightline. You have to have some blobs to deal with them and similar ultimatums from other vendors. If you are ok with something working, as long as it's open, and major features being broken doesn't bother you... might I suggest nouveau? AFAIK NVIDIA has even started addressing the reclocking issue on the newer gens.
  - nazgulsenpai 4y ago
    I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make here. I didn't suggest the entire stack has to be open source, nor am I looking for a reason to use NVIDIA on Linux. I just think it would be great if NVIDIA open sourced whatever portions of their graphics driver to make the Mesa implementation competitive.

the8472 4y ago

They did[0], for GPU models where they moved all the proprietary parts into the firmware. [0] https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules#user-content-compatible-gpus https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules#user-conte...