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Name a brand thats better in providing software updates and security patches for their fleet of phones. Repairability is a fair complaint - but the initial lif

Name a brand thats better in providing software updates and security patches for their fleet of phones. Repairability is a fair complaint - but the initial lifespan of $android is max 2 years. I consider it broken once it does not receive security updates. So $android phone is “broken” after 2 years.

rootusrootus 3y ago
Exactly this. I spent more on Android phones over time than I ever spent on iPhones. Between the better resale value and longer support, it just turns out to be cheaper to spend a few extra bucks at time of purchase.
input_sh 3y ago
> but the initial lifespan of $android is max 2 years. I consider it broken once it does not receive security updates. If that's your definition of a lifespan, "max 2 years" is absolutely not true. Android has two types of support: new major releases and security patches. An average Android usually supports new major Android releases for 2 years, but security patches usually go longer. Not as long as an iPhone, but more like 3-5 years.
- JaggerJo 3y ago
  iPhone 6s (released September 2015) - ~ 8 years and going Nexus 5X & Nexus 6P (released September 2015) - last update January 2019 [1] ~ 2.25 years Pixel & Pixel XL (released October 2016) - 2019 (can't find a good reference) ~ 3 years Pixel 2 (released October 2017) - December 2020 [2] ~ 3.3 years [1]: https://9to5google.com/2018/11/07/nexus-6p-and-5x-final-guaranteed-updates/ https://9to5google.com/2018/11/07/nexus-6p-and-5x-final-guar... [2]: https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/05/pixel-2-and-2-xl-reach-end-of-life-only-one-more-update-is-planned/ https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/05/pixel-2-and-2-xl-re... My conclusion: an iPhone outlives (at least) 2+/3+ android phones
  - input_sh 3y ago
    > Not as long as an iPhone, but more like 3-5 years. Pixels starting from 6 -> 5 years. Recent Samsungs -> 4 years. Fairphone 2 (Dec 2015) -> lost support last month. Things have improved since Nexus 5X, and even that one had a year longer support than your "max 2 years". I'm not saying it's better than an iPhone, I'm saying make a fair comparison.
    - theshrike79 3y ago
      Apple has a track record of supporting phones for half a decade. Pixel 6 came out last year, the 5 year promise is still just a promise. Samsung's 4 years isn't 4 years of major Android version updates. IIRC it was 2 years of Android updates + 2 years of security patches. We'll see in 6 years whether the Nexus 6 can get the latest Android version. I'm pretty damn sure my iPhone 14 will still get updates in 2028.
    - JaggerJo 3y ago
      Ok, nice to see this is improving for the big brand android phones. A lot of people buy cheap $no-brand phones that probably don’t get (any) updates.
DrThunder 3y ago
This isn't a comparison. I'm making the point that they're bullshitting you about being some big proponent of "saving the planet". They do nothing that doesn't increase the money in their pockets. I have an iPhone. I'm just sick of their hypocrisy. This is nothing but marketing to get you to buy more product from them. "oh apple is so good to the planet, so security oriented, they really value your privacy"
- Toutouxc 3y ago
  I’m not sure how to tell you, but if I’m looking for a phone from a company that destroys the planet a bit less than the others, that cares about security a bit more than the others and that values my privacy a bit more, Apple offering such a phone is not some dark marketing ploy, but literally the supply to my demand. It’s the free market actually working.

rootusrootus 3y ago

Exactly this. I spent more on Android phones over time than I ever spent on iPhones. Between the better resale value and longer support, it just turns out to be cheaper to spend a few extra bucks at time of purchase.

input_sh 3y ago

> but the initial lifespan of $android is max 2 years. I consider it broken once it does not receive security updates. If that's your definition of a lifespan, "max 2 years" is absolutely not true. Android has two types of support: new major releases and security patches. An average Android usually supports new major Android releases for 2 years, but security patches usually go longer. Not as long as an iPhone, but more like 3-5 years.

JaggerJo 3y ago
iPhone 6s (released September 2015) - ~ 8 years and going Nexus 5X & Nexus 6P (released September 2015) - last update January 2019 [1] ~ 2.25 years Pixel & Pixel XL (released October 2016) - 2019 (can't find a good reference) ~ 3 years Pixel 2 (released October 2017) - December 2020 [2] ~ 3.3 years [1]: https://9to5google.com/2018/11/07/nexus-6p-and-5x-final-guaranteed-updates/ https://9to5google.com/2018/11/07/nexus-6p-and-5x-final-guar... [2]: https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/05/pixel-2-and-2-xl-reach-end-of-life-only-one-more-update-is-planned/ https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/05/pixel-2-and-2-xl-re... My conclusion: an iPhone outlives (at least) 2+/3+ android phones
- input_sh 3y ago
  > Not as long as an iPhone, but more like 3-5 years. Pixels starting from 6 -> 5 years. Recent Samsungs -> 4 years. Fairphone 2 (Dec 2015) -> lost support last month. Things have improved since Nexus 5X, and even that one had a year longer support than your "max 2 years". I'm not saying it's better than an iPhone, I'm saying make a fair comparison.
  - theshrike79 3y ago
    Apple has a track record of supporting phones for half a decade. Pixel 6 came out last year, the 5 year promise is still just a promise. Samsung's 4 years isn't 4 years of major Android version updates. IIRC it was 2 years of Android updates + 2 years of security patches. We'll see in 6 years whether the Nexus 6 can get the latest Android version. I'm pretty damn sure my iPhone 14 will still get updates in 2028.
  - JaggerJo 3y ago
    Ok, nice to see this is improving for the big brand android phones. A lot of people buy cheap $no-brand phones that probably don’t get (any) updates.

DrThunder 3y ago

This isn't a comparison. I'm making the point that they're bullshitting you about being some big proponent of "saving the planet". They do nothing that doesn't increase the money in their pockets. I have an iPhone. I'm just sick of their hypocrisy. This is nothing but marketing to get you to buy more product from them. "oh apple is so good to the planet, so security oriented, they really value your privacy"

Toutouxc 3y ago
I’m not sure how to tell you, but if I’m looking for a phone from a company that destroys the planet a bit less than the others, that cares about security a bit more than the others and that values my privacy a bit more, Apple offering such a phone is not some dark marketing ploy, but literally the supply to my demand. It’s the free market actually working.