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Except you run out of charge during said stop and go traffic. With a liquid fueled car you just add more. I’m guessing that since you’re using km instead of mi

Except you run out of charge during said stop and go traffic. With a liquid fueled car you just add more. I’m guessing that since you’re using km instead of mi you’re outside the US. Perhaps your experiences won’t translate over here? The US tends to be larger than most countries so the distance traveled to evacuate is longer. We need to slow down and research newer technologies. A german company can create 1600 liters of carbon neutral fuel using 1 MW of power. This fuel can run on existing engines. Those 1600 liters can fill 40 average sized cars. Yet that same megawatt can only charge 3.7 ish Teslas. Are you also aware that this is the second time EVs have been tried? They lost out to gasoline for all these same reasons.

bryanlarsen 4y ago
I'm in Canada, which is bigger and sparser than the US. The only place I can think of in the US where you would need to drive more than 320 miles to get out of a disaster area is Miami. Everywhere else if there's a hurricane then you travel at right angles to its path. In Miami there's only one direction you can go.
- tekknik 4y ago
  In Canada you are concentrated into mostly the lower 1/3 of the country, which is smaller than the US. So sorry but no. There’s other places, like leaving CA, WA, and OR now and the tornadoes in the middle. Average people don’t charge their car every night. Even if they did, what’s the storage ratio for liquid vs electric fuels? This directly translates into how much you can have on hand in an emergency. You’ve ignored every issue stating “it’s not a problem for me” yet I’m guessing you’ve never been in this situation living in Canada. Maybe think outside the anecdotes and realize you’ve not experienced every situation in life. Liquid fuels does not mean gasoline. Stop thinking this way.
  - bryanlarsen 4y ago
    Dude, I've lived through a tornado. It left a path of destruction 800m wide. We evacuated in our electric car, and drove to a friend's place 5km away. Range was not an issue. Many gas stations were down because of loss of power and lines at the working stations were an hour long. But our friend had power, so we just plugged into 115V at their house overnight. I know dozens of people with electric cars. Every single one of them has a plugin at their home, and every one of them plugs it in over night. A couple of them plug into a regular 115v outlet overnight rather than a faster charger, but everybody plugs in every night. Why would you give up one of the main advantages of EV's to save yourself the two seconds of effort it takes to plug the car in?
    - tekknik 4y ago
      Great, and I’ve live through a hurricane where there was no power for a literal month yet national guard easily brought in gas trucks and cans. Judging by your idea that electricity is always available (why do people in FL have 5kw generators?) suggests you’re inexperienced in these matters and also shouldn’t be spreading your opinion. And again, why are you so enamored with EVs? There are other options that actually have a chance at mass adoption.
      - bryanlarsen 4y ago
        If you have gas and generators, you have electricity and can charge your EV. I add 320 miles of range to my EV for $8. A gallon of synthetic fuel is projected to cost $25/gallon once it hits mass production. Hydrogen is completely non-viable for emergency situations. What other options are you thinking of?
        _hypx 4y ago
        Synthetic fuels and hydrogen. You're just being closed minded.
        tekknik 4y ago
        > $25/gallon once it hits mass production. Which one? I’m guessing you just did research on this and just learned they existed? One of them costs $80/liter now, but said they can get it down to $6/liter through scaling. > Hydrogen is completely non-viable for emergency situations. Why? propane is shipped in, you don’t believe getting compressed gas in an emergency is possible? Again, do you have a financial interest in EVs? Or you just trying to win this argument? I’ve never met someone so in love with electric cars. I can certainly understand the desire to get rid of gasoline, but to force people into electric when there’s tons of problems that people see means you won’t get the adoption you’re looking for. You know there’s even another issue with EV I haven’t brought up yet. Every time you charge it, you lose a little range. This isn’t true with a liquid fueled vehicle in that the fuel tank gets a little smaller after every refuel.
bryanlarsen 4y ago
> A german company can create 1600 liters of carbon neutral fuel using 1 MW of power. If they can do that, they've broken the laws of physics. A litre of fuel contains 9kWh of energy. 100% efficient synthesis would result in 111 litres of fuel.

bryanlarsen 4y ago

I'm in Canada, which is bigger and sparser than the US. The only place I can think of in the US where you would need to drive more than 320 miles to get out of a disaster area is Miami. Everywhere else if there's a hurricane then you travel at right angles to its path. In Miami there's only one direction you can go.

tekknik 4y ago
In Canada you are concentrated into mostly the lower 1/3 of the country, which is smaller than the US. So sorry but no. There’s other places, like leaving CA, WA, and OR now and the tornadoes in the middle. Average people don’t charge their car every night. Even if they did, what’s the storage ratio for liquid vs electric fuels? This directly translates into how much you can have on hand in an emergency. You’ve ignored every issue stating “it’s not a problem for me” yet I’m guessing you’ve never been in this situation living in Canada. Maybe think outside the anecdotes and realize you’ve not experienced every situation in life. Liquid fuels does not mean gasoline. Stop thinking this way.
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  Dude, I've lived through a tornado. It left a path of destruction 800m wide. We evacuated in our electric car, and drove to a friend's place 5km away. Range was not an issue. Many gas stations were down because of loss of power and lines at the working stations were an hour long. But our friend had power, so we just plugged into 115V at their house overnight. I know dozens of people with electric cars. Every single one of them has a plugin at their home, and every one of them plugs it in over night. A couple of them plug into a regular 115v outlet overnight rather than a faster charger, but everybody plugs in every night. Why would you give up one of the main advantages of EV's to save yourself the two seconds of effort it takes to plug the car in?
  - tekknik 4y ago
    Great, and I’ve live through a hurricane where there was no power for a literal month yet national guard easily brought in gas trucks and cans. Judging by your idea that electricity is always available (why do people in FL have 5kw generators?) suggests you’re inexperienced in these matters and also shouldn’t be spreading your opinion. And again, why are you so enamored with EVs? There are other options that actually have a chance at mass adoption.
    - bryanlarsen 4y ago
      If you have gas and generators, you have electricity and can charge your EV. I add 320 miles of range to my EV for $8. A gallon of synthetic fuel is projected to cost $25/gallon once it hits mass production. Hydrogen is completely non-viable for emergency situations. What other options are you thinking of?
      - _hypx 4y ago
        Synthetic fuels and hydrogen. You're just being closed minded.
      - tekknik 4y ago
        > $25/gallon once it hits mass production. Which one? I’m guessing you just did research on this and just learned they existed? One of them costs $80/liter now, but said they can get it down to $6/liter through scaling. > Hydrogen is completely non-viable for emergency situations. Why? propane is shipped in, you don’t believe getting compressed gas in an emergency is possible? Again, do you have a financial interest in EVs? Or you just trying to win this argument? I’ve never met someone so in love with electric cars. I can certainly understand the desire to get rid of gasoline, but to force people into electric when there’s tons of problems that people see means you won’t get the adoption you’re looking for. You know there’s even another issue with EV I haven’t brought up yet. Every time you charge it, you lose a little range. This isn’t true with a liquid fueled vehicle in that the fuel tank gets a little smaller after every refuel.

bryanlarsen 4y ago

> A german company can create 1600 liters of carbon neutral fuel using 1 MW of power. If they can do that, they've broken the laws of physics. A litre of fuel contains 9kWh of energy. 100% efficient synthesis would result in 111 litres of fuel.