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You're objectively wrong. > San Francisco recorded 56 homicides each in 2022 and 2021, up over 36% from 2019, when there were 41 homicides, according to polic

by tedivm 4y ago

You're objectively wrong. > San Francisco recorded 56 homicides each in 2022 and 2021, up over 36% from 2019, when there were 41 homicides, according to police department data. Despite the increase, the number of homicides in San Francisco is well below that of other cities of a similar size, data from the Major Cities Police Chiefs Association shows. > Indianapolis, for example, witnessed 271 homicides in 2021 and 226 in 2022. Jacksonville, Florida, meanwhile, saw 129 homicides in 2021 and 154 in 2022, while 204 homicides took place in Columbus, Ohio, in 2021 and 140 in 2022. > Violent crimes in San Francisco, including murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault, reached a high in 2013 with 7,164 violent crimes, according to California Department of Justice data. But they have tapered off significantly in the past couple of years. San Francisco now falls in the lower middle of the pack when compared with several cities of a similar population, according to data from the Major Cities Police Chiefs Association. San Francisco is just "average", and possibly "below average", for violent crime. Claiming it is one of the most violent cities in the country is just hysterics with no basis in reality. Source: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/us/san-francisco-crime-bob-lee-killing/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/us/san-francisco-crime-bob-le...

tsunamifury 4y ago
Thanks for the numbers. On the street except for murder cops won’t even take your report anymore. The numbers reflect nothing in SF and residents know it.
- BenSahar 4y ago
  "Even when I'm factually wrong, I'm right"
- femiagbabiaka 4y ago
  I was just laughing about this position the other day: if the the stats confirm your position they’re accurate and can’t be ignored. If they’re not then the bookkeeping is wrong. A win/win situation!
- tedivm 4y ago
  So what you're saying is your feelings don't care about the facts?
- f38zf5vdt 4y ago
  Isn't it this way in almost every major urban US area? I was in St. Louis for a conference and got robbed, after I reported it to police and told them I had the current location of the suspects because they stole my phone and location services was still on, the police laughed at me and told me "what do you want us to do, go bust some doors down?", then instructed me to file a report but explained it might not be worth it to even bother doing so because there was almost a 0% chance of my stolen goods being returned.
- jjulius 4y ago
  >The numbers reflect nothing in SF and residents know it. Former, recent resident with a penchant for late-night dancing (read: frequently ended up in "seedy" areas in the middle of the night) chiming in. Never felt as though I was in danger while out and about, day or night, and never felt that SF was a more violent city than others. But thank you for speaking for everyone.
  - lisasays 4y ago
    When you live in a violent area - you usually don't "feel" it until the night you get whacked. Source: been there, got whacked.
    - tedivm 4y ago
      If you're dead how are you posting?
      - lisasays 4y ago
        The verb can mean either you get rubbed off - or just hit really heard.
- mbgerring 4y ago
  Did you miss the fact that we had two entire elections to install a new reactionary pro-cop DA, specifically so that people who use this excuse to make things up about SF crime could can it?
- IndoorPatio 4y ago
  Police work stoppages should be fireable offenses.
- gcheong 4y ago
  "On the street except for murder cops won’t even take your report anymore." Completely false and you only have to look at the police crime dashboard to know that. I'm a resident and can say that the numbers track pretty closely with my experience here anyway.
- psanford 4y ago
  Current resident. I walked 1 mile home late last night, through two neighborhoods that people call sketchy. The only thing that felt unsafe was the cars.
foobarian 4y ago
> Claiming it is one of the most violent cities in the country To be fair the phrasing "one of the most XXX" has a LOT of wiggle room at best, and is technically a tautology at worst.
dwater 4y ago
I was surprised to see in the article that SF has only had 12 murders so far this year. My city is less than 1/3 the size and has 14 murders so far, and it doesn’t feel like a lawless hell hole to me. Every murder is tragic, but almost all of them involve parties known to each other.
Varqu 4y ago
It's quite high for overall crime though. Crime Rate(per 1,000 residents): https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/jacksonville/crime https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/jacksonville/crime - 33.76 https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/in/indianapolis/crime https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/in/indianapolis/crime - 42.52 https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime - 54.33 as a reference point: https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/mi/detroit/crime https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/mi/detroit/crime - 59.01
- tedivm 4y ago
  "Overall crime" and "violent crime" are not the same thing. No one is arguing against there being a lot of property crime.
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tsunamifury 4y ago

Thanks for the numbers. On the street except for murder cops won’t even take your report anymore. The numbers reflect nothing in SF and residents know it.

BenSahar 4y ago
"Even when I'm factually wrong, I'm right"
femiagbabiaka 4y ago
I was just laughing about this position the other day: if the the stats confirm your position they’re accurate and can’t be ignored. If they’re not then the bookkeeping is wrong. A win/win situation!
tedivm 4y ago
So what you're saying is your feelings don't care about the facts?
f38zf5vdt 4y ago
Isn't it this way in almost every major urban US area? I was in St. Louis for a conference and got robbed, after I reported it to police and told them I had the current location of the suspects because they stole my phone and location services was still on, the police laughed at me and told me "what do you want us to do, go bust some doors down?", then instructed me to file a report but explained it might not be worth it to even bother doing so because there was almost a 0% chance of my stolen goods being returned.
jjulius 4y ago
>The numbers reflect nothing in SF and residents know it. Former, recent resident with a penchant for late-night dancing (read: frequently ended up in "seedy" areas in the middle of the night) chiming in. Never felt as though I was in danger while out and about, day or night, and never felt that SF was a more violent city than others. But thank you for speaking for everyone.
- lisasays 4y ago
  When you live in a violent area - you usually don't "feel" it until the night you get whacked. Source: been there, got whacked.
  - tedivm 4y ago
    If you're dead how are you posting?
    - lisasays 4y ago
      The verb can mean either you get rubbed off - or just hit really heard.
mbgerring 4y ago
Did you miss the fact that we had two entire elections to install a new reactionary pro-cop DA, specifically so that people who use this excuse to make things up about SF crime could can it?
IndoorPatio 4y ago
Police work stoppages should be fireable offenses.
gcheong 4y ago
"On the street except for murder cops won’t even take your report anymore." Completely false and you only have to look at the police crime dashboard to know that. I'm a resident and can say that the numbers track pretty closely with my experience here anyway.
psanford 4y ago
Current resident. I walked 1 mile home late last night, through two neighborhoods that people call sketchy. The only thing that felt unsafe was the cars.

foobarian 4y ago

> Claiming it is one of the most violent cities in the country To be fair the phrasing "one of the most XXX" has a LOT of wiggle room at best, and is technically a tautology at worst.

dwater 4y ago

I was surprised to see in the article that SF has only had 12 murders so far this year. My city is less than 1/3 the size and has 14 murders so far, and it doesn’t feel like a lawless hell hole to me. Every murder is tragic, but almost all of them involve parties known to each other.

Varqu 4y ago

It's quite high for overall crime though. Crime Rate(per 1,000 residents): https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/jacksonville/crime https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/jacksonville/crime - 33.76 https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/in/indianapolis/crime https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/in/indianapolis/crime - 42.52 https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime - 54.33 as a reference point: https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/mi/detroit/crime https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/mi/detroit/crime - 59.01

tedivm 4y ago
"Overall crime" and "violent crime" are not the same thing. No one is arguing against there being a lot of property crime.

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