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They really do some amazing reporting. Based on the fact that this is the first article I'm seeing on this topic, it seems that Mission Local may have got the s

They really do some amazing reporting. Based on the fact that this is the first article I'm seeing on this topic, it seems that Mission Local may have got the scoop [1] on the Chronicle and other big newspapers on this high-profile topic. That is a big deal for journalists (if I recall correctly) because it means you're doing better original reporting and you're more connected to the neighborhood. [1] https://grammarist.com/idiom/get-the-scoop/ https://grammarist.com/idiom/get-the-scoop/

bombcar 4y ago
Any small local news organizations will almost ALWAYS get the scoop on the big ones, for local news. Because the vast majority of "big" news things are a division of some conglomerate and just regurgitate Reuters.
- kaycebasques 4y ago
  The Chronicle still does a lot of local reporting.
  - justizin 4y ago
    Yes and they rushed to cast this tragedy as part of an imagined crime epidemic. There are some good contributors to the Chronicle, but they skew fairly conservative for SF and have for a long time.
    - wand3r 4y ago
      > Imagined crime epidemic Is the SF/Bay Area really having an "imagined" crime epidemic? Serious question. Seems the crime rate is very high
      - fdr 4y ago
        Property crime has been high for decades. Violent crime moves here and there, but is somewhat unremarkable for an American city.
        throwntoday 4y ago
        Things are worse than ever and reading comments like this that dismiss it genuinely confuses me. So because other cities have similar or worse crime rates, we should just accept it? Urban decay is happening all across this country and it needs to be addressed aggressively before you or someone you know gets stabbed to death.
        not2b 4y ago
        American cities almost all have far lower crime these days than they did decades ago, and SF has a significantly lower murder rate than many cities. https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/us/san-francisco-crime-bob-lee-killing/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/us/san-francisco-crime-bob-le...
        WesternWind 4y ago
        Things are not worse than ever. Things are slightly worse after the pandemic, but nowhere as bad as the 70's. Feel free to check the statistics. Anyway I agree we need to get aggressive, but a lot of folks thinks that means more cops. We spend a hell of a lot on police, but police don't address the root causes of most crimes. We need to aggressively invest in urban areas with new housing, job opportunities, drug treatment, gang disruption, violence interruption, mental health care, and other meaningful interventions in the cycles and circumstances that lead people to commit crime.
        fdr 4y ago
        It's harder to depart from the median situation in a large geographical region one way or another. All else equal (which is never the case, consult a real criminologist), San Francisco probably can do more about its property crime than violent crime, under the very general principle of regression to the mean.
- emodendroket 4y ago
  Most local newspapers these day are glorified advertising circulars with maybe one or two reporters they actually employ.
  - Loughla 4y ago
    The local papers I am familiar with in my region are literally (not figuratively) just re-print houses for prior-approved PR stories from local schools, businesses, and government offices. It's really quite sad.
JieJie 4y ago
This is great writing, "the abrupt closure of the mid-market Whole Foods, leaving San Franciscans just eight other Whole Foods within city limits". What a scoop, brilliantly delivered.
- kaycebasques 4y ago
  Edit: I thought that this comment was tangential and sarcastic but I was incorrect.
  - gowld 4y ago
    It's a quote from the article. You might have missed it. https://missionlocal.org/2023/04/bob-lee-killing-arrest-made-san-francisco/ https://missionlocal.org/2023/04/bob-lee-killing-arrest-made... It's an expression of appreciation for the author's saracastic humor, reporting on the thinness of evidence for anti-SF commentary, a major theme of the OP article.
    - kaycebasques 4y ago
      OK, I totally misunderstood the comment in that case. I have edited my previous comment. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
- gnicholas 4y ago
  Sure, it's a cute jab, but 8 WFs in an entire city is not that many. Even if you have a car, there are large swaths of the city (Richmond, Sunset), where a WF is a bit of a slog during regular traffic (and worse during rush hour). And of course, many city dwellers don't have cars, so having to lug groceries up SF's famously hilly streets is not great for more than a fraction of a mile or so.
  - magicalist 4y ago
    People in the Richmond and Sunset have closer Whole Foods than the one that closed.
  - 4y ago

bombcar 4y ago

Any small local news organizations will almost ALWAYS get the scoop on the big ones, for local news. Because the vast majority of "big" news things are a division of some conglomerate and just regurgitate Reuters.

kaycebasques 4y ago
The Chronicle still does a lot of local reporting.
- justizin 4y ago
  Yes and they rushed to cast this tragedy as part of an imagined crime epidemic. There are some good contributors to the Chronicle, but they skew fairly conservative for SF and have for a long time.
  - wand3r 4y ago
    > Imagined crime epidemic Is the SF/Bay Area really having an "imagined" crime epidemic? Serious question. Seems the crime rate is very high
    - fdr 4y ago
      Property crime has been high for decades. Violent crime moves here and there, but is somewhat unremarkable for an American city.
      - throwntoday 4y ago
        Things are worse than ever and reading comments like this that dismiss it genuinely confuses me. So because other cities have similar or worse crime rates, we should just accept it? Urban decay is happening all across this country and it needs to be addressed aggressively before you or someone you know gets stabbed to death.
        not2b 4y ago
        American cities almost all have far lower crime these days than they did decades ago, and SF has a significantly lower murder rate than many cities. https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/us/san-francisco-crime-bob-lee-killing/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/us/san-francisco-crime-bob-le...
        WesternWind 4y ago
        Things are not worse than ever. Things are slightly worse after the pandemic, but nowhere as bad as the 70's. Feel free to check the statistics. Anyway I agree we need to get aggressive, but a lot of folks thinks that means more cops. We spend a hell of a lot on police, but police don't address the root causes of most crimes. We need to aggressively invest in urban areas with new housing, job opportunities, drug treatment, gang disruption, violence interruption, mental health care, and other meaningful interventions in the cycles and circumstances that lead people to commit crime.
        fdr 4y ago
        It's harder to depart from the median situation in a large geographical region one way or another. All else equal (which is never the case, consult a real criminologist), San Francisco probably can do more about its property crime than violent crime, under the very general principle of regression to the mean.
emodendroket 4y ago
Most local newspapers these day are glorified advertising circulars with maybe one or two reporters they actually employ.
- Loughla 4y ago
  The local papers I am familiar with in my region are literally (not figuratively) just re-print houses for prior-approved PR stories from local schools, businesses, and government offices. It's really quite sad.

JieJie 4y ago

This is great writing, "the abrupt closure of the mid-market Whole Foods, leaving San Franciscans just eight other Whole Foods within city limits". What a scoop, brilliantly delivered.

kaycebasques 4y ago
Edit: I thought that this comment was tangential and sarcastic but I was incorrect.
- gowld 4y ago
  It's a quote from the article. You might have missed it. https://missionlocal.org/2023/04/bob-lee-killing-arrest-made-san-francisco/ https://missionlocal.org/2023/04/bob-lee-killing-arrest-made... It's an expression of appreciation for the author's saracastic humor, reporting on the thinness of evidence for anti-SF commentary, a major theme of the OP article.
  - kaycebasques 4y ago
    OK, I totally misunderstood the comment in that case. I have edited my previous comment. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
gnicholas 4y ago
Sure, it's a cute jab, but 8 WFs in an entire city is not that many. Even if you have a car, there are large swaths of the city (Richmond, Sunset), where a WF is a bit of a slog during regular traffic (and worse during rush hour). And of course, many city dwellers don't have cars, so having to lug groceries up SF's famously hilly streets is not great for more than a fraction of a mile or so.
- magicalist 4y ago
  People in the Richmond and Sunset have closer Whole Foods than the one that closed.
- 4y ago