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I'm a South Korean woman living in US but I've been traveling to visit family more, and I have a great deal of opposite anecdotes. There is a huge "trad" blow u

I'm a South Korean woman living in US but I've been traveling to visit family more, and I have a great deal of opposite anecdotes. There is a huge "trad" blow up on tiktok and other social media in South Korea right now. A lot of the western reporting on South Korea is highly highly skewed. It's a society that demands a lot from both women and men (for better or worse). For example, in America a lot more women get plastic surgery, however I know many more korean MEN than women that have plastic surgery.

yieldcrv 3y ago
> There is a huge "trad" blow up on tiktok this is happening in the US too the "tradwife" trend is ... kind of refreshing. I was really confused to meet one in real life last month, I couldn't tell that she was being serious, I thought she was being a caricature of what she thought I wanted to hear. Like always steering the conversation towards things involving cooking, sewing, in the most contrived ways.
- stuckinhell 3y ago
  It seems a bit like caricature to me to be honest, but I think there is a deep desire among a large part of the population to have normal gender roles and relationships.
  - ogurechny 3y ago
    One might argue that new generations are sufficiently distanced from actual traditional lifestyles to treat them as fairy tales, and that it's just a surface level understanding, a cosplay.
    - philangist 3y ago
      One could easily argue the opposite too no? That new generations are surrounded by the effects of the breaking down of gender roles, and are looking to the past/other societies for an alternate model.
      - ogurechny 3y ago
        I am quite sure that “break down of gender roles” happened so long ago that modern person doesn't really understand that the whole experience of the world is different in a different era or place. They picture themselves as they are, only in clothing they are familiar with from media products or history book illustrations. Say, you are in a traditional agricultural society in less than perfect climate. Then you have to sweat your guts out working on crops as much as they need, each year, from childhood to the old age. It's not an option, it's not a choice. Illness or “feelings” are not an excuse. And then bad weather can turn the hard work of many months into almost nothing. Say, you are in a traditional patriarchal family. It is a solid productive unit, not an association of “individuals”. If it is good, it's good, if it is bad, it's bad. Everyone shares the fate. Of course, there are many possible ways for the person to act, but the frame that define the common base for all actions is set in that manner. Even more so, the description of people as “individuals” that have “feelings” have itself appeared not so long ago, in a specific age and place. Different ones need people who think differently.
  - sushibowl 3y ago
    calling them "normal" gender roles and relationships is rather loaded, insinuating that other forms of gender roles are in some way abnormal. "traditional" seems a more appropriate term.
    - yieldcrv 3y ago
      abnormal can be the accurate reality without meaning defective
  - yieldcrv 3y ago
    turns out she was simultaneously really proud of her work and interests, while also wanting that kind of relationship like it wasn't "I can cook, and clean, shoutout to the patriarchy!" it was "my friend is a chef and I love helping her with her clients", "I love making jewelry but I found my flow state the most in sewing!" just like, oh ok, what a coincidence. whats behind door number 3? cleaning! wow. but then I was like, you know what? its refreshing. I could enjoy that choice, my amusement had only come from being around women that spend a lot of energy making their whole identity about being something less refreshing. Going as far as to denigrate anyone that requests or chooses traditional roles. That’s the opposite of choice.
- thealchemistdev 3y ago
  Come on. You see it, right? It's bait.
ZephyrBlu 3y ago
What plastic surgery do Korean men get? I've heard that double eyelid surgery is very common for Korean women, so I'm surprised you know more men who have had plastic surgery.
- stuckinhell 3y ago
  The most common plastic surgeries are the same for both men and women, double eye lid, nose, chin/jaw, wrinkle removals, etc. The Kpop look is a very asian sense of beauty different from western norms.

yieldcrv 3y ago

> There is a huge "trad" blow up on tiktok this is happening in the US too the "tradwife" trend is ... kind of refreshing. I was really confused to meet one in real life last month, I couldn't tell that she was being serious, I thought she was being a caricature of what she thought I wanted to hear. Like always steering the conversation towards things involving cooking, sewing, in the most contrived ways.

stuckinhell 3y ago
It seems a bit like caricature to me to be honest, but I think there is a deep desire among a large part of the population to have normal gender roles and relationships.
- ogurechny 3y ago
  One might argue that new generations are sufficiently distanced from actual traditional lifestyles to treat them as fairy tales, and that it's just a surface level understanding, a cosplay.
  - philangist 3y ago
    One could easily argue the opposite too no? That new generations are surrounded by the effects of the breaking down of gender roles, and are looking to the past/other societies for an alternate model.
    - ogurechny 3y ago
      I am quite sure that “break down of gender roles” happened so long ago that modern person doesn't really understand that the whole experience of the world is different in a different era or place. They picture themselves as they are, only in clothing they are familiar with from media products or history book illustrations. Say, you are in a traditional agricultural society in less than perfect climate. Then you have to sweat your guts out working on crops as much as they need, each year, from childhood to the old age. It's not an option, it's not a choice. Illness or “feelings” are not an excuse. And then bad weather can turn the hard work of many months into almost nothing. Say, you are in a traditional patriarchal family. It is a solid productive unit, not an association of “individuals”. If it is good, it's good, if it is bad, it's bad. Everyone shares the fate. Of course, there are many possible ways for the person to act, but the frame that define the common base for all actions is set in that manner. Even more so, the description of people as “individuals” that have “feelings” have itself appeared not so long ago, in a specific age and place. Different ones need people who think differently.
- sushibowl 3y ago
  calling them "normal" gender roles and relationships is rather loaded, insinuating that other forms of gender roles are in some way abnormal. "traditional" seems a more appropriate term.
  - yieldcrv 3y ago
    abnormal can be the accurate reality without meaning defective
- yieldcrv 3y ago
  turns out she was simultaneously really proud of her work and interests, while also wanting that kind of relationship like it wasn't "I can cook, and clean, shoutout to the patriarchy!" it was "my friend is a chef and I love helping her with her clients", "I love making jewelry but I found my flow state the most in sewing!" just like, oh ok, what a coincidence. whats behind door number 3? cleaning! wow. but then I was like, you know what? its refreshing. I could enjoy that choice, my amusement had only come from being around women that spend a lot of energy making their whole identity about being something less refreshing. Going as far as to denigrate anyone that requests or chooses traditional roles. That’s the opposite of choice.
thealchemistdev 3y ago
Come on. You see it, right? It's bait.

ZephyrBlu 3y ago

What plastic surgery do Korean men get? I've heard that double eyelid surgery is very common for Korean women, so I'm surprised you know more men who have had plastic surgery.

stuckinhell 3y ago
The most common plastic surgeries are the same for both men and women, double eye lid, nose, chin/jaw, wrinkle removals, etc. The Kpop look is a very asian sense of beauty different from western norms.