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Yep, you are a typical example. Your world (and mine) is safe, but let’s meet up and step into a fortune 1000 non FAANG office, hit someone up for a chat and le

Yep, you are a typical example. Your world (and mine) is safe, but let’s meet up and step into a fortune 1000 non FAANG office, hit someone up for a chat and let’s see if you don’t believe this person can be replaced now by gpt4. Try it. I cannot see how, even after these stories, you cannot see how this is a problem and how this is not vastly different (horse drivers went to car drivers, farmers became factory workers etc; there is no such switch now) than the previous examples. We are limited by the amount of very clever people as the rest can be replaced (we need some robots but that’s coming). When we reach AGI, then even the 130+ iq peeps like you and me can start the worrying. But that doesn’t mean there is a present danger.

andsoitis 4y ago
If one person is more competent and willing to work for less money than someone else, what is a business to do? Hire/retain the more expensive less competent employee? If a machine is more competent and costs less than a human worker, what is a business to do? Not use robots to assemble cars? Not use AI to do mechanizable routine work?
- anonzzzies 4y ago
  Yea, that’s what will happen. Not sure why you are responding to me? The gp seems to argue that this won’t be a problem now as in the past this made more jobs, so it will now too. I don’t believe that.
  - andsoitis 4y ago
    > I don’t believe that. But why do you think this time is different?
machina_ex_deus 4y ago
Of course they can't be replaced. Can the AI's boss watch him working? Can the AI's boss see he's physically in the office from 9 to 5? Can the AI's boss get a promotion for growing a team of AI bots? Can AI sit in meeting and give a sense of validation to the boss decisions? What kind of boss in an office job replaces his workers with an AI?
- slashdev 4y ago
  Replace the middle manger with AI. I bet it would be an improvement.
slashdev 4y ago
I don’t share your disdain for the average person, and I don’t see ChatGPT replacing people on a huge scale. it’s a helpful productivity tool, but the I don’t see that it will replace huge amounts of jobs. I worry more about autonomous driving when it comes to AIs replacing humans. A LOT of people drive trucks, Uber’s, taxis, buses, etc. It’s perhaps more useful in my field than most (software) since the output is often highly structured text. But using it daily, it doesn’t even make me 2x more productive. A big deal, yes. Going to take my job, no. Going to lower salaries and reduce demand? Doubtful. We’ve lived through massive disruptions already, computers and the internet are some examples. It wasn’t cause for panic.
- anonzzzies 4y ago
  Computers made people more productive and internet made trade far more efficient. AI makes my job far more efficient (I work in software as well); most my colleagues have been fired now in the past months because now I can do the work of 10+ by using chatgpt api. That says something about my employer, however there are boatloads of the same companies. And my colleagues, some of whom are great humans, are just not very good at what they are hired for and, as such, easy to replace by gpt4 wielded by someone who does understand. Nothing to do with disdain; it’s just the group that will fall first. But then it’ll come for us. I like your optimism, I just don’t share it; this is far more of a change than many think. Sure maybe not next year (although…) but your taxis, ubers, buses and serving beers might be the only jobs left for you and me. I am worried for my kids, not for me. But this is now within reach, while it seemed very far off last year. Deniers won’t save anything.
  - slashdev 4y ago
    It’s not coming for me because it can’t think. If anything it makes the senior engineer more valuable, not less so. Writing actual code is the minority part of my day usually. Using Amdahl’s law, that bounds the maximum speed up to under 2x. In reality, less. What on earth are you doing that you see 10x speed up? That implies you spend more than 90% of your day writing code. That’s not even possible if you have no meetings and no teammates. I call bullshit. I’ll be generous and say you are exaggerating for effect rather than intending to lie about it. But either way its beyond what’s possible.

andsoitis 4y ago

If one person is more competent and willing to work for less money than someone else, what is a business to do? Hire/retain the more expensive less competent employee? If a machine is more competent and costs less than a human worker, what is a business to do? Not use robots to assemble cars? Not use AI to do mechanizable routine work?

anonzzzies 4y ago
Yea, that’s what will happen. Not sure why you are responding to me? The gp seems to argue that this won’t be a problem now as in the past this made more jobs, so it will now too. I don’t believe that.
- andsoitis 4y ago
  > I don’t believe that. But why do you think this time is different?

machina_ex_deus 4y ago

Of course they can't be replaced. Can the AI's boss watch him working? Can the AI's boss see he's physically in the office from 9 to 5? Can the AI's boss get a promotion for growing a team of AI bots? Can AI sit in meeting and give a sense of validation to the boss decisions? What kind of boss in an office job replaces his workers with an AI?

slashdev 4y ago
Replace the middle manger with AI. I bet it would be an improvement.

slashdev 4y ago

I don’t share your disdain for the average person, and I don’t see ChatGPT replacing people on a huge scale. it’s a helpful productivity tool, but the I don’t see that it will replace huge amounts of jobs. I worry more about autonomous driving when it comes to AIs replacing humans. A LOT of people drive trucks, Uber’s, taxis, buses, etc. It’s perhaps more useful in my field than most (software) since the output is often highly structured text. But using it daily, it doesn’t even make me 2x more productive. A big deal, yes. Going to take my job, no. Going to lower salaries and reduce demand? Doubtful. We’ve lived through massive disruptions already, computers and the internet are some examples. It wasn’t cause for panic.

anonzzzies 4y ago
Computers made people more productive and internet made trade far more efficient. AI makes my job far more efficient (I work in software as well); most my colleagues have been fired now in the past months because now I can do the work of 10+ by using chatgpt api. That says something about my employer, however there are boatloads of the same companies. And my colleagues, some of whom are great humans, are just not very good at what they are hired for and, as such, easy to replace by gpt4 wielded by someone who does understand. Nothing to do with disdain; it’s just the group that will fall first. But then it’ll come for us. I like your optimism, I just don’t share it; this is far more of a change than many think. Sure maybe not next year (although…) but your taxis, ubers, buses and serving beers might be the only jobs left for you and me. I am worried for my kids, not for me. But this is now within reach, while it seemed very far off last year. Deniers won’t save anything.
- slashdev 4y ago
  It’s not coming for me because it can’t think. If anything it makes the senior engineer more valuable, not less so. Writing actual code is the minority part of my day usually. Using Amdahl’s law, that bounds the maximum speed up to under 2x. In reality, less. What on earth are you doing that you see 10x speed up? That implies you spend more than 90% of your day writing code. That’s not even possible if you have no meetings and no teammates. I call bullshit. I’ll be generous and say you are exaggerating for effect rather than intending to lie about it. But either way its beyond what’s possible.