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Giving money is nice, but I wonder how much of the problem is due to the incredible pressure put on young people by the traditional Korean society. Dating seems

Giving money is nice, but I wonder how much of the problem is due to the incredible pressure put on young people by the traditional Korean society. Dating seems to be closed off to a large number of Koreans who don't see a path toward marriage and economic prosperity. Interestingly, a lot of Korean woman seem to think the best place to start a family is ... right here in America! The gender ratio of immigrants to America from South Korea isn't 50-50 as one would expect but closer to 60% women. For Japan, another state struggling with fertility and youth isolation, this ratio is about 75%.

tokai 4y ago
Ain't both countries very big on male chauvinism? Makes sense that they want to leave more than the men.
- nicolas_t 4y ago
  Anecdotal but when I lived there, I had a few female coworkers who confided to me that they only wanted to date foreigners because they felt trapped by the cultural expectations that came with dating a Japanese man. So, yes it might be a factor :)
- rasengan 4y ago
  You hit the nail on the head. The culture is very male focused, even despite the male-rights movements that have come about recently. Go out drinking in Asia... and you'll be pretty surprised, shocked, upset, dismayed at how things work over there.
- Der_Einzige 4y ago
  Correct, cheating is basically normalized among men in east and south east Asia. Western mens liberalism and lower rates of cheating are among the many reasons why westerners are popular there.
  - arolihas 4y ago
    Racism also plays a part.
ogurechny 4y ago
People like to fantasize about “The Orient” when reading topics like those, but the problem is the same across the whole globalized society. We may ask why it became so pronounced in Asia, or we may have a realization that this is the actual future everyone's heading, but it's certainly not some “traditional” thing (unless, of course, there was a tradition like that I have no idea about).
stuckinhell 4y ago
I'm a South Korean woman living in US but I've been traveling to visit family more, and I have a great deal of opposite anecdotes. There is a huge "trad" blow up on tiktok and other social media in South Korea right now. A lot of the western reporting on South Korea is highly highly skewed. It's a society that demands a lot from both women and men (for better or worse). For example, in America a lot more women get plastic surgery, however I know many more korean MEN than women that have plastic surgery.
- yieldcrv 4y ago
  > There is a huge "trad" blow up on tiktok this is happening in the US too the "tradwife" trend is ... kind of refreshing. I was really confused to meet one in real life last month, I couldn't tell that she was being serious, I thought she was being a caricature of what she thought I wanted to hear. Like always steering the conversation towards things involving cooking, sewing, in the most contrived ways.
  - stuckinhell 4y ago
    It seems a bit like caricature to me to be honest, but I think there is a deep desire among a large part of the population to have normal gender roles and relationships.
    - ogurechny 4y ago
      One might argue that new generations are sufficiently distanced from actual traditional lifestyles to treat them as fairy tales, and that it's just a surface level understanding, a cosplay.
      - philangist 4y ago
        One could easily argue the opposite too no? That new generations are surrounded by the effects of the breaking down of gender roles, and are looking to the past/other societies for an alternate model.
diveandfight 4y ago
Any sources to clarify this observation? One reason I ask is because if one is just looking at the Korean-American population as a whole, there are a couple other factors that could be leading to the gender imbalance: - Mothers raising their kids in U.S. while the father works in Korea - Historic immigration after the Korean War, during which a large portion of the male population was wiped out

tokai 4y ago

Ain't both countries very big on male chauvinism? Makes sense that they want to leave more than the men.

nicolas_t 4y ago
Anecdotal but when I lived there, I had a few female coworkers who confided to me that they only wanted to date foreigners because they felt trapped by the cultural expectations that came with dating a Japanese man. So, yes it might be a factor :)
rasengan 4y ago
You hit the nail on the head. The culture is very male focused, even despite the male-rights movements that have come about recently. Go out drinking in Asia... and you'll be pretty surprised, shocked, upset, dismayed at how things work over there.
Der_Einzige 4y ago
Correct, cheating is basically normalized among men in east and south east Asia. Western mens liberalism and lower rates of cheating are among the many reasons why westerners are popular there.
- arolihas 4y ago
  Racism also plays a part.

ogurechny 4y ago

People like to fantasize about “The Orient” when reading topics like those, but the problem is the same across the whole globalized society. We may ask why it became so pronounced in Asia, or we may have a realization that this is the actual future everyone's heading, but it's certainly not some “traditional” thing (unless, of course, there was a tradition like that I have no idea about).

stuckinhell 4y ago

I'm a South Korean woman living in US but I've been traveling to visit family more, and I have a great deal of opposite anecdotes. There is a huge "trad" blow up on tiktok and other social media in South Korea right now. A lot of the western reporting on South Korea is highly highly skewed. It's a society that demands a lot from both women and men (for better or worse). For example, in America a lot more women get plastic surgery, however I know many more korean MEN than women that have plastic surgery.

yieldcrv 4y ago
> There is a huge "trad" blow up on tiktok this is happening in the US too the "tradwife" trend is ... kind of refreshing. I was really confused to meet one in real life last month, I couldn't tell that she was being serious, I thought she was being a caricature of what she thought I wanted to hear. Like always steering the conversation towards things involving cooking, sewing, in the most contrived ways.
- stuckinhell 4y ago
  It seems a bit like caricature to me to be honest, but I think there is a deep desire among a large part of the population to have normal gender roles and relationships.
  - ogurechny 4y ago
    One might argue that new generations are sufficiently distanced from actual traditional lifestyles to treat them as fairy tales, and that it's just a surface level understanding, a cosplay.
    - philangist 4y ago
      One could easily argue the opposite too no? That new generations are surrounded by the effects of the breaking down of gender roles, and are looking to the past/other societies for an alternate model.

diveandfight 4y ago

Any sources to clarify this observation? One reason I ask is because if one is just looking at the Korean-American population as a whole, there are a couple other factors that could be leading to the gender imbalance: - Mothers raising their kids in U.S. while the father works in Korea - Historic immigration after the Korean War, during which a large portion of the male population was wiped out