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If I were a German, this would piss me off more than anything: A lobbyist organization from another country managed to successfully manipulate the court of my h

If I were a German, this would piss me off more than anything: A lobbyist organization from another country managed to successfully manipulate the court of my home country. Apologies from the USA. We don't support the RIAA.

ljlolel 4y ago
German music lobbies and legal issues are even more strict
Asmod4n 4y ago
The Court in Hamburg is infamous for siding with the media industry for decades sadly. As a suer you can choose which court handles your case for these kind of cases.
- rft 4y ago
  Came to post this. For an informed opinion on the issue of "Fliegender Gerichtsstand" (essentially, choose where to bring your case) I can recommend Vetter's blog post on the Erdogan/Böhmermann situation [1, German]. LG Hamburg is sadly infamous for this kind of decisions. It can and, based on the research in TFA likely will be, reigned in by higher courts, but this costs money, time and causes a lot of stress on the defendant. I applaud them for standing up to this decision. The law firm (Rasch) in this case is also no stranger to copyright and piracy dealings. If you search for its name you find websites dealing with their "Abmahnungen" (roughly Cease & Desist) [2, German]. [1] https://www.lawblog.de/archives/2016/05/18/das-hamburger-monopol/ https://www.lawblog.de/archives/2016/05/18/das-hamburger-mon... [2] https://www.abmahnung.org/rasch/ https://www.abmahnung.org/rasch/
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xhkkffbf 4y ago
USA resident who expects to be moderated down: I'm a big believer in intellectual property rules and I hate piracy. These actions don't strike me as "censorship" because my enforcement of IP doesn't stop you from expressing yourself in any way. Oh sure, it stops you from pirating me, but that's not censorship. That's me stopping you from being a plagiarist and a copycat. If anything, tough enforcement encourages people to actually express themselves because they can't just pirate someone else's hard work and pretend they did something of value for society. Quit reading this. Go make your own content and enjoy all of the power that the Internet gave you. Then enjoy the control over your hard work that IP laws give you.
- exabrial 4y ago
  How exactly does "youtube-dl" promote piracy? /me gets popcorn
- SuperShibe 4y ago
  YouTube DL is not their IP. Period.
  - riku_iki 4y ago
    as well as many videos youtube slapped their ads on top of.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  > Go make your own content and enjoy all of the power that the Internet gave you. You do know that most of the people here make their own IP every day, right?
- account42 4y ago
  Your bait would be more convincing if you weren't confusing basic concepts like copyright infringement and plagiarism which have nothing to do with each other.
- uncletammy 4y ago
  > These actions don't strike me as "censorship" because my enforcement of IP doesn't stop you from expressing yourself in any way. This is a super slippery slope and we're sliding fast https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/03/texas-republican-wants-isps-to-block-a-wide-range-of-abortion-websites/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/03/texas-republican...
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  USA resident who factually understands that intellectual "property" is not property as thoughts. idea's etc can not be owned as property. What you call intellectual property is in fact more accurately referred to as intellectual privilege, and unauthorized copying of your work is not "piracy" which is a violent act of theft normally on the high seas. Attempting to conflate copyright with property and property crimes is not only illogical it is highly immoral copyright may be worth defending, in a very limited way, but it certainly is not on the same level of property nor should it be considered such. Copyright to the extent it is worth defending should be returned to the original US Constitutional limits and applicability, and returned to the timespan of the original copyright law (14 years, and 1 extension of a human author of 14 years.. meaning corporations get 14 years, humans can get upto 28 years and no more. and All copyright ends at death of the author. )
JPws_Prntr_Fngr 4y ago
> Apologies from the USA. We don't support the RIAA. Unfortunately, we do. Year after year, we collectively allow and enable these ravenous corporate interests, and their lobbyists and spooks, to further capture our institutions and strongarm smaller economies around the globe. I wish we didn't, but we do.
- blueflow 4y ago
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  - JPws_Prntr_Fngr 4y ago
    Sorry what?

ljlolel 4y ago

German music lobbies and legal issues are even more strict

Asmod4n 4y ago

The Court in Hamburg is infamous for siding with the media industry for decades sadly. As a suer you can choose which court handles your case for these kind of cases.

rft 4y ago
Came to post this. For an informed opinion on the issue of "Fliegender Gerichtsstand" (essentially, choose where to bring your case) I can recommend Vetter's blog post on the Erdogan/Böhmermann situation [1, German]. LG Hamburg is sadly infamous for this kind of decisions. It can and, based on the research in TFA likely will be, reigned in by higher courts, but this costs money, time and causes a lot of stress on the defendant. I applaud them for standing up to this decision. The law firm (Rasch) in this case is also no stranger to copyright and piracy dealings. If you search for its name you find websites dealing with their "Abmahnungen" (roughly Cease & Desist) [2, German]. [1] https://www.lawblog.de/archives/2016/05/18/das-hamburger-monopol/ https://www.lawblog.de/archives/2016/05/18/das-hamburger-mon... [2] https://www.abmahnung.org/rasch/ https://www.abmahnung.org/rasch/

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xhkkffbf 4y ago

USA resident who expects to be moderated down: I'm a big believer in intellectual property rules and I hate piracy. These actions don't strike me as "censorship" because my enforcement of IP doesn't stop you from expressing yourself in any way. Oh sure, it stops you from pirating me, but that's not censorship. That's me stopping you from being a plagiarist and a copycat. If anything, tough enforcement encourages people to actually express themselves because they can't just pirate someone else's hard work and pretend they did something of value for society. Quit reading this. Go make your own content and enjoy all of the power that the Internet gave you. Then enjoy the control over your hard work that IP laws give you.

exabrial 4y ago
How exactly does "youtube-dl" promote piracy? /me gets popcorn
SuperShibe 4y ago
YouTube DL is not their IP. Period.
- riku_iki 4y ago
  as well as many videos youtube slapped their ads on top of.
JohnFen 4y ago
> Go make your own content and enjoy all of the power that the Internet gave you. You do know that most of the people here make their own IP every day, right?
account42 4y ago
Your bait would be more convincing if you weren't confusing basic concepts like copyright infringement and plagiarism which have nothing to do with each other.
uncletammy 4y ago
> These actions don't strike me as "censorship" because my enforcement of IP doesn't stop you from expressing yourself in any way. This is a super slippery slope and we're sliding fast https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/03/texas-republican-wants-isps-to-block-a-wide-range-of-abortion-websites/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/03/texas-republican...
phpisthebest 4y ago
USA resident who factually understands that intellectual "property" is not property as thoughts. idea's etc can not be owned as property. What you call intellectual property is in fact more accurately referred to as intellectual privilege, and unauthorized copying of your work is not "piracy" which is a violent act of theft normally on the high seas. Attempting to conflate copyright with property and property crimes is not only illogical it is highly immoral copyright may be worth defending, in a very limited way, but it certainly is not on the same level of property nor should it be considered such. Copyright to the extent it is worth defending should be returned to the original US Constitutional limits and applicability, and returned to the timespan of the original copyright law (14 years, and 1 extension of a human author of 14 years.. meaning corporations get 14 years, humans can get upto 28 years and no more. and All copyright ends at death of the author. )

JPws_Prntr_Fngr 4y ago

> Apologies from the USA. We don't support the RIAA. Unfortunately, we do. Year after year, we collectively allow and enable these ravenous corporate interests, and their lobbyists and spooks, to further capture our institutions and strongarm smaller economies around the globe. I wish we didn't, but we do.

blueflow 4y ago
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- JPws_Prntr_Fngr 4y ago
  Sorry what?