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Maybe stop making a throw away phone first if you're actually interested in being "green".
by DrThunder 4y ago
Maybe stop making a throw away phone first if you're actually interested in being "green".
- rcme 4y agoApple has best-in-class device support and lifespan, no?
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- iameli 4y agoI'm sympathetic to waterproofing concerns about easily-swappable batteries but this is definitely why Right-to-Repair is incredibly important
- morkalork 4y agoI understand why it wasn't feasible before with the rate of progress but now it should be possible. I want to see a LTS type of phone. Something like 10 years. Any other appliance, car, power tool etc. have much much longer useful lives.
- jl6 4y agoiPhones are LTS devices. My 8+ is still going strong and fully supported after nearly 6 years - with one battery replacement.
- DrThunder 4y agoWho replaced the battery?
- jl6 4y agoThe Apple Store.
- sbuk 4y agoWhy is that relevant?
- DrThunder 4y agoBecause you have to ship it somewhere or drive to somewhere and pay for it to be replaced. Does that sound like a "green" way to do things to you? The point is they make it difficult for you to replace parts, hoping you just get a new phone instead. The sooner you realize Apple doesn't actually give a shit about saving the planet and they only put on this facade to sell you more product.... the better off you'll be. I own Apple products but I'm not buying their bs about wanting to make the world a better place. Stop holding these companies up as some religious replacement.
- sbuk 4y ago> Because you have to ship it somewhere or drive to somewhere and pay for it to be replaced. The battery needs shipping to you or you need to drive* somewhere to pay for it. What is the difference? > Does that sound like a "green" way to do things to you? It certainly doesn't sound any worse. >The sooner you realize Apple doesn't act... Blah, blah, blah... Cynicism is easy to the point of being lazy. You and those like you want to repair stuff on your own, and that is fine. Don't pretend that you want to do it because it's any greener. It's as much green washing as Apple is being accused of - same at the USB-C port enforcement. I don't believe for one minute that you give any more or less of a shit about the environment that Apple or its employees do. > I own Apple products but I'm not buying their bs about wanting to make the world a better place. Stop holding these companies up as some religious replacement. You made a point, it was challenged and countered, and you're doubling down on it. The sooner you're honest about your motivations, the sooner we can have a sensible discussion. * Not everywhere is a car-centric as the US--some of us can walk or use public transport, which is greener still.
- DrThunder 4y agoDid you give your monthly offering to the apple gods today? You sound like you're in a cult.... and it's for a stupid material product.
- ajmurmann 4y agoI had the battery in my iPhone 6S replaced 4 times. Apple replaced it and it was no hassle. The first three replacements were free due to AppleCare and for the last one I think I paid $40 or $50. Just happened during a mall visit.
- DrThunder 4y agoIT IS a hassle for many people. So, they just buy a new phone. This is why apple pushes you towards using them for something that could easily be made replaceable by the owner. The majority of people will not take their iPhone in and get the battery replaced and you know it.
- lloydatkinson 4y agoMy previous iPhone 8 lasted from 2016 to 2023. The only reason I stopped using it was because I accidentally broke the screen and the touch panel under it. It still received new iOS versions and updates. What exactly is throwaway about that when compared to the hundreds of variants Samsung and others produce with a 2 year lifespan and then no updates after?
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- sbuk 4y agoRe Samsung, they sold 258.3M phones last year; approximately 60 SKUs--with < 3% having user replaceable parts. They are equally responsible. Do you hold them to the same standard?
- selykg 4y ago> I never mentioned Samsung, so that's just a useless strawman argument you're making. I was with you to some extent in your original post... sort of.. But this last response made me go from with you to thinking you have some sort of agenda, with a real bias and aren't actually interested in a real conversation, you just seem to want an argument that you feel you can win.
- ericpauley 4y agoThe slowing down was necessary to not overload the batteries (very obviously necessary since phones were resetting otherwise), and apple offered replacement batteries almost at cost. What more do you want??
- alexdbird 4y agoIt was a perfect engineering solution, poorly communicated to users. I'll take a slightly slower phone (in reality not noticeable on most tasks) over unplanned restarts. My partner only just stopped using the iPhone 6 I bought in 2014, original battery all the way, and she had the throttling turned on for years without knowing or caring.
- alex_sf 4y agoIt's not 'throw away', it's just (over a couple generations, admittedly) they are objectively better. People want them. The fact that they are being recycled mitigates the horrors of technology improving.
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- JaggerJo 4y agoName a brand thats better in providing software updates and security patches for their fleet of phones. Repairability is a fair complaint - but the initial lifespan of $android is max 2 years. I consider it broken once it does not receive security updates. So $android phone is “broken” after 2 years.
- rootusrootus 4y agoExactly this. I spent more on Android phones over time than I ever spent on iPhones. Between the better resale value and longer support, it just turns out to be cheaper to spend a few extra bucks at time of purchase.
- input_sh 4y ago> but the initial lifespan of $android is max 2 years. I consider it broken once it does not receive security updates. If that's your definition of a lifespan, "max 2 years" is absolutely not true. Android has two types of support: new major releases and security patches. An average Android usually supports new major Android releases for 2 years, but security patches usually go longer. Not as long as an iPhone, but more like 3-5 years.
- JaggerJo 4y agoiPhone 6s (released September 2015) - ~ 8 years and going Nexus 5X & Nexus 6P (released September 2015) - last update January 2019 [1] ~ 2.25 years Pixel & Pixel XL (released October 2016) - 2019 (can't find a good reference) ~ 3 years Pixel 2 (released October 2017) - December 2020 [2] ~ 3.3 years [1]: https://9to5google.com/2018/11/07/nexus-6p-and-5x-final-guaranteed-updates/ https://9to5google.com/2018/11/07/nexus-6p-and-5x-final-guar... [2]: https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/05/pixel-2-and-2-xl-reach-end-of-life-only-one-more-update-is-planned/ https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/05/pixel-2-and-2-xl-re... My conclusion: an iPhone outlives (at least) 2+/3+ android phones
- input_sh 4y ago> Not as long as an iPhone, but more like 3-5 years. Pixels starting from 6 -> 5 years. Recent Samsungs -> 4 years. Fairphone 2 (Dec 2015) -> lost support last month. Things have improved since Nexus 5X, and even that one had a year longer support than your "max 2 years". I'm not saying it's better than an iPhone, I'm saying make a fair comparison.
- jmull 4y agoI think iPhones are the least “throw away” of the phones, aren’t they?
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- vezuchyy 4y agoI still have an iPhone 5s that is intact as well as a 2013 MacBook Pro. They both are pretty outdated devices but fully operational. Apple is definitely not the company to be blamed for making "throw away" devices.
- ChancyChance 4y agoiphone 7 representin' Maybe customers should reevaluate their shopping habit impact on the environment and stop chasing the next new thing?