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Politicians are accountable by voters and voters object to have nuclear waste stored near their homes. Even those who don't think it's a problem and believe the

Politicians are accountable by voters and voters object to have nuclear waste stored near their homes. Even those who don't think it's a problem and believe the scientists who say "this will never be a problem" (and they don't exactly say that, do they?) know that their property values will suffer. Putting coal as the alternative to nuclear power is not just a mistake, it's an entirely dishonest argument trying to fool people.

soco 4y ago
But coal is the current alternative to nuclear power. A day may come when solar and wind will be, but it is not this day.
- bayesian_horse 4y ago
  That's just a big fat lie. Even in Germany, the country you malign so much, coal power generation did not increase in the last few years. Not even when transitioning from Russian natural gas.
  - soco 4y ago
    You may need to delete your comment, will you? https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/energy-crisis-fuels-coal-comeback-germany-2022-12-16/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/energy-crisis-fu... (note: in 2020 coal energy in Germany was 20.4% which the above article doesn't mention)
    - bayesian_horse 4y ago
      Yes, I'm slightly wrong on a three-month time period last year. The numbers I had were for complete years... Still doesn't negate my point that coal is going to be phased out and that coal generation wasn't ramped up as nuclear power was ramped down. There is just no clear relation.
JanSt 4y ago
I grew up very close to a coal power plant. Guess what, that is many times more dangerous than storing nuclear waste. I don‘t think I have ever heard anyone say they would rather live close to a coal plant. Why is it a mistake or dishonest? That is the reality: Germany already powered many coal plants back up to replace gas and nuclear. Now it will take even longer to get rid of coal.
- bayesian_horse 4y ago
  Then learn to read a chart. You are either lying or getting your facts wrong. Less coal plants have been reopened than have been shut down before. Yes, the plan was to get rid of coal sooner, the Ukraine war made that harder. Actually some more lignite coal got burned last year in order to compensate. But we're going to get rid of those coal plants a lot sooner than if we were to build a couple new nuclear power plants which would commit us to a few more decades of that technology and all the associated problems.
  - JanSt 4y ago
    „Um die akute Gaskrise im vergangenen Sommer zu bekämpfen, sind insgesamt 14 Steinkohle-Kraftwerke und ein Mineralöl-Kraftwerk wieder reaktiviert oder entgegen ursprünglicher Pläne nicht stillgelegt worden. Das geht aus einer Übersicht der Bundesnetzagentur hervor. Alle betroffenen Kraftwerke sind nach wie vor am Markt“ https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/steinkohlekraftwerke-gaskrise-101.html https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/steinkohlek... With 6 nuclear power plants that could be a lot less
    - bayesian_horse 4y ago
      Yes, doesn't negate my point. Coal is not the alternative to nuclear power and saying so is a big fat lie, the correlation is just not in the data. People like you dishonestly want to fool people into believing each terawatt hour not generated by nuclear power is compensated by one terawatt hour generated from coal. Because it's lazy and convenient and some people are stupid enough to believe it.

soco 4y ago

But coal is the current alternative to nuclear power. A day may come when solar and wind will be, but it is not this day.

bayesian_horse 4y ago
That's just a big fat lie. Even in Germany, the country you malign so much, coal power generation did not increase in the last few years. Not even when transitioning from Russian natural gas.
- soco 4y ago
  You may need to delete your comment, will you? https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/energy-crisis-fuels-coal-comeback-germany-2022-12-16/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/energy-crisis-fu... (note: in 2020 coal energy in Germany was 20.4% which the above article doesn't mention)
  - bayesian_horse 4y ago
    Yes, I'm slightly wrong on a three-month time period last year. The numbers I had were for complete years... Still doesn't negate my point that coal is going to be phased out and that coal generation wasn't ramped up as nuclear power was ramped down. There is just no clear relation.

JanSt 4y ago

I grew up very close to a coal power plant. Guess what, that is many times more dangerous than storing nuclear waste. I don‘t think I have ever heard anyone say they would rather live close to a coal plant. Why is it a mistake or dishonest? That is the reality: Germany already powered many coal plants back up to replace gas and nuclear. Now it will take even longer to get rid of coal.

bayesian_horse 4y ago
Then learn to read a chart. You are either lying or getting your facts wrong. Less coal plants have been reopened than have been shut down before. Yes, the plan was to get rid of coal sooner, the Ukraine war made that harder. Actually some more lignite coal got burned last year in order to compensate. But we're going to get rid of those coal plants a lot sooner than if we were to build a couple new nuclear power plants which would commit us to a few more decades of that technology and all the associated problems.
- JanSt 4y ago
  „Um die akute Gaskrise im vergangenen Sommer zu bekämpfen, sind insgesamt 14 Steinkohle-Kraftwerke und ein Mineralöl-Kraftwerk wieder reaktiviert oder entgegen ursprünglicher Pläne nicht stillgelegt worden. Das geht aus einer Übersicht der Bundesnetzagentur hervor. Alle betroffenen Kraftwerke sind nach wie vor am Markt“ https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/steinkohlekraftwerke-gaskrise-101.html https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/steinkohlek... With 6 nuclear power plants that could be a lot less
  - bayesian_horse 4y ago
    Yes, doesn't negate my point. Coal is not the alternative to nuclear power and saying so is a big fat lie, the correlation is just not in the data. People like you dishonestly want to fool people into believing each terawatt hour not generated by nuclear power is compensated by one terawatt hour generated from coal. Because it's lazy and convenient and some people are stupid enough to believe it.